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Re: [tcpm] tcpsecure: how strong to recommend?

Wesley Eddy <weddy@grc.nasa.gov> Tue, 25 September 2007 12:31 UTC

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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:25:57 -0400
From: Wesley Eddy <weddy@grc.nasa.gov>
To: Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar>
Subject: Re: [tcpm] tcpsecure: how strong to recommend?
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On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 11:29:10PM -0300, Fernando Gont wrote:
> At 02:44 p.m. 24/09/2007, Mark Allman wrote:
> 
> >In the meeting in Chicago we took a "visual hum" and the tally looks
> >like this:
> >
> >      all SHOULDs: 4
> >      all MAYs: 3
> >      two SHOULDs and a MAY: 8
> >
> >So, our inclination is to go with option (3) from my list above.  If you
> >think this is the wrong way to go please yell---especially if you are
> >not reflected in the 15 folks who took part in the visual hum.
> 
> My inclination is for option (2) (all MAYs).
> 
> FWIW, I did not attend the last IETF.


I was at the meeting, and I think my hand is included in the "all MAYs"
above.  My personal opinion was that regardless of licensing terms, I
think having known IPR on something that we recommend all TCP hosts to
do is distasteful.  Since the tcpsecure solution isn't generally useful,
but only needed for specific cases, and the antispoof document described
alternatives, I don't feel that the benefits of SHOULD outweigh the
downside, so I'll say "all MAYs" again.

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