Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices
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Subject: Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices
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Hi, Comment inline Yours Irrespectively, John Juniper Business Use Only > -----Original Message----- > From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel > Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 7:06 AM > To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com; 'Loa Andersson' <loa@pi.nu>; > teas@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices > > [External Email. Be cautious of content] > > > We currently have (in section 5.1, which may be a bit late in the document) > > Customer: A customer is the requester of an IETF Network Slice. > Customers may request monitoring of SLOs. A customer may manage > the IETF Network Slice service directly by interfacing with the > IETF NSC or indirectly through an orchestrator. > > We could add "A customer may be an entity such as an enterprise network or a > network operator, an individual working at such an entity, a private individual > contracting for a service, or an application or software component." [JD] Gilding the lily > > Cheers, > Adrian > > -----Original Message----- > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> > Sent: 05 May 2021 11:58 > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Loa Andersson' <loa@pi.nu>; teas@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices > > Hi all, > > > Anyone else got anything to say on the topic? > > I would simply use "customer" and make sure the definition is generic enough to > denote a role/entity. > > Thanks. > > Cheers, > Med > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Adrian Farrel > > Envoyé : mercredi 5 mai 2021 11:59 À : 'Loa Andersson' <loa@pi.nu>; > > teas@ietf.org Objet : Re: [Teas] Moving forward with > > draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network- slices > > > > Hi Loa, > > > > > On customer vs. consumer Adrian says: > > > > > >> c. "Consumer" vs "customer". I have made this consistent (we > > only need to > > >> use one term). I selected "Customer" because that seemed > > best, but I > > >> know some people prefer "consumer". Please discuss if you > > are not > > >> happy. > > > > > > If the choice is between customer vs. consumer, I prefer customer. > > > > OK. So I made an improvement, but... > > > > > I don't know if it is too late to bring this up. > > > > It's never too late to bring things up. > > > > > But I really don't like either, normal language has a strong > > > indication that that that a customer is a person (a person that > > walks > > > inte to your > > > shop) and consumer is also a person /that eats what I bought at > > your shop). > > > > I think you forget about wholesale. What do you call the school that > > buys food at the shop to provide to the children? Do you call the > > school the customer, or do you refer to the cook who buys the food as > > the customer? The contract is with the school, negotiated by the cook, > > signed by the bursar. > > > > > IETF specifies "systems", including what goes into SW and HW, but > > we > > > don't specify normative rules for human behavior. > > > > > > I don't know if we can talk about Customer System? > > > > I'm afraid of this getting heavy for the reader. There are 73 > > instances of "customer" in the document, and "customer system" may > > become tiresome to read. > > > > Anyone else got anything to say on the topic? > > > > Cheers, > > Adrian > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Teas mailing list > > Teas@ietf.org > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > __;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!W_DnXhZ2tbxnRkBApq_DRzmQ0Ly6IR0J0- > FHQYZ3xvHJ9jsYVvotI > > 86LGMNRzE4$ > > _________________________________________________________________ > ___________ > _____________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou > copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le > signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages > electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute > responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. > > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged > information that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used > or copied without authorisation. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this > message and its attachments. > As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been > modified, changed or falsified. > Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas__;!!N > Et6yMaO-gk!W_DnXhZ2tbxnRkBApq_DRzmQ0Ly6IR0J0- > FHQYZ3xvHJ9jsYVvotI86LGMNRzE4$
- [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ietf-n… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ie… Loa Andersson
- Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ie… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ie… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ie… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ie… Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
- Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ie… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ie… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ie… Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate)
- Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ie… Shunsuke Homma
- Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ie… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ie… John E Drake
- Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ie… peng.shaofu
- Re: [Teas] Moving forward with draft-ietf-teas-ie… Dongjie (Jimmy)
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