Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened to chairs 10 minutes before sessions would be _really_ helpful

Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org> Mon, 03 August 2020 19:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho rooms being opened to chairs 10 minutes before sessions would be _really_ helpful
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> On 4/08/2020, at 5:51 AM, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
> 
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> Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
>> For example, with physical meeting rooms, they are a great informal
>> place to catch up with work when attendees join early. I am seeing this
>> regularily in physical IETFs on the first morning and afternoon meetings.
>> Likewise of course after the meetings, last meeting before lunch or in the
>> evening. Do we really need to argue overcoming every single unnecessry
>> technical limitation ?
> 
> Gather.town was really very good for this.
> The biggest problem is that the "entrance" the WG session was not in a
> specific place.  As far as I could tell, you could go to any of the meeting
> "tables" and then enter any meeting.
> Worse, if someone stood next to you, while you were in the meeting, you could
> have a conversation.   At one point, I had the meetecho feed from another room
> coming through the analog hole (from speakers to mic) from a nearby
> gather.town person...
> 
> If we could all "emerge" from the meetecho and wind up nearby on gather.town,
> then that would duplicate things nicely.
> 
> I'm curious what the cost for gather.town was?  Order of zeros is enough.

Their pricing model is not ideal as we need to pay for a guaranteed minimum number of participants (they scale the VM accordingly) and we significantly over-estimated and so paid more than we should have, but that was quite affordable in the single figure thousands. 

Jay

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