Re: [v6ops] The need for local-ipv4 socket transition solutions -- NAT64/DNS64 remains insufficient

Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Fri, 24 April 2015 18:06 UTC

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 20:06:19 +0200
From: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>
To: "George, Wes" <wesley.george@twcable.com>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] The need for local-ipv4 socket transition solutions -- NAT64/DNS64 remains insufficient
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Hi,

On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 02:00:37PM -0400, George, Wes wrote:
> More generally, *IP* Address literals are harmful, because they make bad
> assumptions about what address family is supported on their users'
> networks. It's just that we don't have a problem with people breaking
> IPv4-only users by trying to use IPv6 address literals. Perhaps that
> should be the statement in a standalone document?

True, but I would actually emphasize that IPv4 literals are a real problem
today, while nobody is daft enough to put IPv6 literals anywhere (in more
polite words).

Gert Doering
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have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?

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