Fwd: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts
Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com> Thu, 07 April 2005 21:51 UTC
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From: Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com>
Subject: Fwd: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 12:17:54 -0700
To: Thomas Narten <narten@us.ibm.com>
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I really don't appreciate the question I put forward being moved to a place I am not a participant in. Do you have any intent to return an answer to me, or do I have to hunt around for a way to enter a BOF I have no intention of contributing to? Begin forwarded message: > From: Thomas Narten <narten@us.ibm.com> > Date: April 7, 2005 11:54:40 AM PDT > Subject: Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts > > ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy > > To: jordi.palet@consulintel.es > cc: "v6tc@ietf.org" <v6tc@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts > In-Reply-To: Message from jordi.palet@consulintel.es > of "Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:30:53 +0200." > <BE78FA5D.F1CA3%jordi.palet@consulintel.es> > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:54:40 -0400 > From: Thomas Narten <narten@rotala.raleigh.ibm.com> > > Note: v6ops bcc'ed, followups in v6tc please. > >> First of all, I think is a very good question to know if the v6tc is >> really >> dead, or what, unless I've missed something, there was not any >> message about >> this. I was about to ask soon in v6tc list (copied now). > > To be honest, I'm not entirely sure myself. And this is after a rather > lot of hallway conversation in Minneapolis. > > Truth in advertising: I've always been a bit skeptical of this work, > and probably continue to be, with the main reason being that I do not > see a clear/easy/obvious solution here and I worried alot (while I > still wore an AD hat) about starting a WG that wouldn't be able to > actually come to closure and complete useful work. It is not enough to > want a solution -- a solution must also be achievable. (This comment > applies mostly the "tunnel endpoint discovery problem".) > > I do detect that there are folk that want to form a WG and that there > are some that believe there is a problem here to be solved (that needs > solving), but so far (AFAIK) the problem hasn't been articulated > clearly and (still) strikes me as a bit of a moving target. > > One (big!) example. There was lots of talk at the BOF and in the > presentation about the need for low latency, i.e., it was a > "requirement". And I hear "wireless" mentioned and "3G" at > approximately the same time. But, my understanding is that 3GPP has > already decided to go with ISATAP. So, they aren't a customer for this > work. But if that is the case, where is the real requirement for low > latency coming from? > > Is my understanding correct in this regard? > > Thomas > > ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy > _______________________________________________ v6tc mailing list v6tc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6tc
- [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts (fwd) Pekka Savola
- Re: l2tp support on OS's Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Fred Baker
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jerome Durand
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Pekka Savola
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Helsinki)
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jerome Durand
- RE: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Bound, Jim
- RE: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Bound, Jim
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Thomas Narten
- Re: Fwd: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Draf… Thomas Narten
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Fwd: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Fred Baker
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Fred Baker
- RE: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Soohong Daniel Park
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Radhakrishnan Suryanarayanan
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jerome Durand
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Pekka Savola
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Thomas Narten
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Pekka Savola
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Vladimir Kotal
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jerome Durand
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts W. Mark Townsley
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts W. Mark Townsley
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Francis Dupont
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Francis Dupont
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Francis Dupont
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jeroen Massar
- [v6tc] Let the market decide or not: L2TP and/or … Alain Durand
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts W. Mark Townsley
- Re: [v6tc] Let the market decide or not: L2TP and… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6tc] Let the market decide or not: L2TP and… W. Mark Townsley
- l2tp support on OS's Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6tc] Let the market decide or not: L2TP and… Alain Durand
- Re: [v6tc] Let the market decide or not: L2TP and… Pekka Savola
- Re: [v6tc] Let the market decide or not: L2TP and… Francis Dupont
- Re: l2tp support on OS's Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: l2tp support on OS's Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling… Jeroen Massar
- Re: l2tp support on OS's Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling… W. Mark Townsley
- Re: l2tp support on OS's Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling… Francis Dupont
- Re: [v6tc] Let the market decide or not: L2TP and… Jerome Durand
- Re: [v6tc] Let the market decide or not: L2TP and… Jerome Durand
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Tim Chown
- Re: [v6tc] Let the market decide or not: L2TP and… Pekka Savola
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Fred Baker
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Fred Baker
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Tim Chown
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Fred Baker
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Ronald.vanderPol
- Re: [v6tc] Re: Tunneling and Transition Drafts Ronald.vanderPol