Re: [91attendees] IETF Fee increase alternatives

Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org> Fri, 14 November 2014 23:50 UTC

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Subject: Re: [91attendees] IETF Fee increase alternatives
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On Nov 14, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Fred Baker (fred) <fred@cisco.com> wrote:

> 
> On Nov 14, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Dominik Bay <db@rrbone.net> wrote:
> 
>> I think IETF is missing the (large) budget coming from membership fees
>> and mostly relies on sponsors and meeting fees for the whole meeting.
> 
> Pretty much. We also have a somewhat invisible sponsor in ISOC, which uses money from organizational members supplemented by some PIR funding to fill the gaps; that is the closest thing we have to the membership fees another organization might have. We should note, btw, that the money is not really about “what does it cost to meet in a hotel” as much as “how do we run a certain set of services 24X7X365 and in addition meet several times a year.”

Exactly right.
Here is the Budget forwarded to the ISOC Board for inclusion in their budget.

https://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/%172015-IETF-BUDGET-14Oct14.pdf

Expenses:  $6M
Revenues:  $4.1M
ISOC Direct Contribution: $1.9M
Capital Investment: $200K
Total ISOC Contribution with Capital Investment: $2.1M

Revenues: 
  Reg Fees:  $2.3M
  Sponsorship:  $1.6M
  Hotel Commissions:  $100K

Expenses:
  Meetings:  $2.2M
  Secretariat:  $1.9m
  RFC Services:  $990K
  Admin:  $500K	(IASA, IESG, IAB, IRTF, NomCom, ISE)
  Tools Maintenance: $125K
  Trust:  $35K
  G&A:  $220K

Hope that puts the Reg Fees, corporate Sponsorships, and ISOC’s contribution in perspective.

Ray
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