Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting
Jared Mauch <jared@puck.Nether.net> Wed, 15 July 2015 13:59 UTC
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Cc: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com>, Rolf Winter <rolf.winter@hs-augsburg.de>, "93attendees@ietf.org" <93attendees@ietf.org>, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.Nether.net>
Subject: Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting
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On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 06:39:42AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote: > On 7/15/2015 5:15 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: > > By having a device set to join the IETF network it seems > > that opting-in to share your data has occured. > > > That's a reasonable view. The problem is that so are other, competing > views. > > If the world were subject to your preferences, your view would hold > sway. However in this world, some of those competing views are likely > to have professional and/or legal force. I'm not saying there may be regulatory regimes where the legal situation may be different than what I outlined above, but the easiest way to not be part of this is to opt out by not using the IETF network. Seems like a fairly affirmative way. It's interesting how IETF went from being engineering based to lawyer based. The adage about how many people it takes to build something vs tear it down seems like it may be applicable here and private *constructive* input to the parties involved would have a positive response. My experience is the people who gripe the loudest tend to be ones that didn't investigate the device behaviors earlier. I've looked at traffic that my machines receive at these networks as part of troubleshooting and a fair amount is revealed in the DHCP request, including company names, usernames, etc.. On a mac/apple device to help some of this leakge go into: 1) itunes, set your library name to something generic like "my music" 2) system preferences -> sharing -> computer name -> my computer 3) messages -> preferences -> accounts -> bonjour and uncheck all the boxes, including the share my IM contacts and e-mail addresses. for iPhone/iPad change your device name: settings -> general -> about -> Name If you are worried about your PII you likely would have already done this, but if not, please consider the above steps. I'm sure there is a similar process for other applications, but this is just what I have at my disposal for a quick write-up/response. - jared -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
- [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeti… Rolf Winter
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Dave Crocker
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Rolf Winter
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Dave Crocker
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Rolf Winter
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Jared Mauch
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Tim Chown
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… McDonald, Alex
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… joel jaeggli
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Chris Elliott
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Ray Pelletier
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Jari Arkko
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Chris Elliott
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… joel jaeggli
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Ray Pelletier
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Leif Johansson
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Leif Johansson
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Randy Bush
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Tim Chown
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Rolf Winter
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Jared Mauch
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Dave Crocker
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Jared Mauch
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Dave Crocker
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Dave Crocker
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Stephen Botzko
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Stephen Botzko
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Benson Schliesser
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Jared Mauch
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Randall Gellens
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… McDonald, Alex
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Randall Gellens