Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeting
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Tue, 14 July 2015 13:51 UTC
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On 7/14/2015 12:21 AM, Rolf Winter wrote: > I am not sure I fully understand your question. You surely have noted > that hs-augsburg.de != augsburg.edu so I assume you refer to the more > general question of experimenting with human subjects. In my mind > typically things like clinical tests fall under this. We will look > solely at broadcasts (and multicast for that matter) sent out by > devices. In essence data that devices send out to all other devices on a > subnet. Clearly any IETF participant can conduct this experiment... well > anybody on the IETF wireless can. We do not actively attempt to trigger > broadcast/multicast communication, we merely listen to what the devices > send out to _everyone_. But I am not sure I have answered your question. > If not, could you be more specific? Rolf, The augsberg.edu reference was prefaced with "for example". It was not meant as the specific set of rules at issue, but merely an example. People often have no experience with modern rules on human subjects research so I wanted to point to a representative set. You are doing an experiment. It involves human subjects, since humans are generating the traffic you will be monitoring. You are not obtaining their explicit permission. I do not know the usual parameters for including or excluding human activity as qualifying for 'human subjects research' handling procedures. I also do not know the formal rules in terms of privacy when capturing human-generated traffic. But both of these lines of concern are real and often challenging, with rules that vary across institutions and laws that vary across countries. I do know that being good folk and having good intentions do not suffice, when privacy and/or human subjects research are involved. There are professional standards and often there are legal strictures. So I thought I should raise the issue both to ensure that you and IETF management are aware of the topic, and to see whether anyone else in the community cares about it. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
- [93attendees] Network experiment during the meeti… Rolf Winter
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Dave Crocker
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Rolf Winter
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Dave Crocker
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Rolf Winter
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Jared Mauch
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Tim Chown
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… McDonald, Alex
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… joel jaeggli
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Chris Elliott
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Ray Pelletier
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Jari Arkko
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Chris Elliott
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… joel jaeggli
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Ray Pelletier
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Leif Johansson
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Leif Johansson
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Randy Bush
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Tim Chown
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Rolf Winter
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Jared Mauch
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Dave Crocker
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Jared Mauch
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Dave Crocker
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Dave Crocker
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Stephen Botzko
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Stephen Botzko
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Benson Schliesser
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Jared Mauch
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Randall Gellens
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… McDonald, Alex
- Re: [93attendees] Network experiment during the m… Randall Gellens