Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applications Area Review Team
John C Klensin <klensin@jck.com> Sat, 19 March 2011 16:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applications Area Review Team
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--On Saturday, March 19, 2011 00:50 -0700 SM <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I have been acting as Applications Area Review Team Lead for > nearly a year. My assessment is that the team is still not > fully functional. Alexey made some suggestions. Please > comment on the following suggested changes: >... This generally looks ok. I agree with Dave -- implicit ACK is not a good protocol, especially so when you are anticipating a 24 hour timeout. As strange as the idea may seem, some of us do end up with travel, day job, or other commitments that might result in our being offline wrt review team messages for significantly longer than that (e.g., while I hope to do better, my current expectation is that I'll be offline all of the week starting April 4 due to circumstances entirely beyond my control). Although I usually try to make "major/minor/nits" distinctions when doing reviews, I agree with Dave that it can sometimes be very difficult, with rather subjective boundaries, and time-consuming. I think you should try to be clear about priority for that sort of breakdown when you might be able to get it only at the price of a delayed review or no review at all. Perhaps as the basis for a different classification system for standards track documents, I also think that it would be very useful to get a reviewer opinion that distinguished between "not yet ready for publication given the criteria for the relevant maturity level in RFC 2026 (as amended)" and "not ready for publication using other criteria that the author thinks are appropriate". Especially from the standpoint of those of us who believe that the IETF spends too much time fine-tuning early-stage specifications, making that distinction might be helpful for the IESG and a useful reminder for everyone else. Finally, I strongly favor your inclination (and Martin's) to make this process descriptive rather than normative/rigid. john
- [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applications … SM
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Kurt Zeilenga
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… SM
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… John C Klensin
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Claudio Allocchio
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… SM
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… SM
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… SM
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… SM
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… SM
- [apps-review] Early Cursory Reviews (Was: Suggest… Pete Resnick
- Re: [apps-review] Early Cursory Reviews (Was: Sug… Ted Hardie
- Re: [apps-review] Early Cursory Reviews (Was: Sug… Claudio Allocchio
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-review] Early Cursory Reviews (Was: Sug… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-review] Early Cursory Reviews Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [apps-review] Early Cursory Reviews (Was: Sug… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-review] Early Cursory Reviews Pete Resnick
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-review] Early Cursory Reviews Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-review] Early Cursory Reviews Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-review] Early Cursory Reviews SM
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… SM
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… John C Klensin
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Eric Burger
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-review] Early Cursory Reviews (Was: Sug… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… SM
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Eric Burger
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… John C Klensin
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… SM
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… John C Klensin
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… SM
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Dave CROCKER