Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applications Area Review Team
John C Klensin <klensin@jck.com> Tue, 22 March 2011 22:07 UTC
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Subject: Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applications Area Review Team
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--On Tuesday, March 22, 2011 14:14 -0700 Dave CROCKER <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote: > On 3/22/2011 2:09 PM, Dave Cridland wrote: >> Finally, a formal term may well help reduce burn-out - >> instead of "Can I do this position for another day?", the >> question becomes "Can I do this position for another term?" >> which is a lot easier to consider. > > > This is a deceptively important point. As I recall, there's > all sorts of 'psychology of decision making' research to back > it up.' For those who know the reference to the frog in water > that is gradually heated, this is a bit like that. > > Making a decision to continue on a daily basis makes it more > likely that there will be burnout than having to make it once > every 2 years. Actually, while the principle is correct (and certainly supported by the literature to which you refer), I don't think the "daily versus two years" inference is quite right (or supported by the literature). The problem with relatively long-ish terms is that people who feel like they have signed up for them tend to want to "keep the commitment" and tough it out, even after burnout has clearly set in. For examples of that, we need look no further than a succession of ADs who have served extremely well for a term or two, then burned out six months or a year into an additional term but continued to serve (and to get harder and harder to work with) for the full two-year period. If you had said something that amounted to "review every six months", I'd agree. But, in terms of burnout risk, two years is a long enough cycle to cause a problem different from the one you are trying to prevent but no less of a risk. john
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- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… John C Klensin
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- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-review] Early Cursory Reviews Pete Resnick
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-review] Early Cursory Reviews Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-review] Early Cursory Reviews Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-review] Early Cursory Reviews SM
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… SM
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… John C Klensin
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Eric Burger
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-review] Early Cursory Reviews (Was: Sug… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… SM
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Eric Burger
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… John C Klensin
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… SM
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Dave Cridland
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… John C Klensin
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… SM
- Re: [apps-review] Suggested changes for Applicati… Dave CROCKER