Re: [Cfrg] Requesting removal of CFRG co-chair

Tao Effect <contact@taoeffect.com> Tue, 24 December 2013 02:39 UTC

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On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:29 PM, Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>; wrote:

> No, the moral of the story is that those of us who have been active in CFRG and the IETF groups that depend on it are well aware that Kevin is a real person.  He comes to IETF meetings and wears a bowtie and a badge that says "NSA".  There has never been anything hidden about his name or his affiliation or the reality of his existence.
> 
> That said, the IETF and IRTF purposely don't have a "papers please" policy -- we allow people to use email addresses with pseudonyms like "Tao Effect".  That's part of the openness of our process.  

To call this openness is laughable.

You can Google my name and see that I am easily held accountable for anything that I say or do.

It is not "openness" when an unknown man with "a badge that says 'NSA'" is made the co-chair of an international organization that makes recommendations for protecting people's data.

Here's what openness in an organization like this should look like:

- You Google the co-chair's name and you instantly find his face smiling back at you on the first page.
- When he's first introduced as the man who "led the design of the SHA-1 hash algorithm", you can verify that this claim is in fact true.
- He's got some kind of positive public reputation built up and something to lose so that we know that if he decides to backstab the public he can be held accountable.

What's taking place here is a joke.

- Greg

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