Re: [Cfrg] Requesting removal of CFRG co-chair
Alyssa Rowan <akr@akr.io> Tue, 24 December 2013 23:02 UTC
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 24 Dec 2013 20:09, Dan Harkins wrote: > [...recently subscribed... twitter... crusade... hollow...] Dan? I'm not sure defensiveness helps the discussion. (I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think I've ever really used Twitter.) It's nearly Christmas. Relax. I doubt the discussion will make much substantive progress either way until, at least, we hear what Kevin has to say. Given the timing, however, he may well be on holiday. > Realize too that had Kevin's employer not given these people the > opportunity [...] there would be no discussion of [...] what the > CFRG's place in the world is. And perhaps we can use that as a positive opportunity. Many WGs, including TLS, have a hell of a lot of work ahead of them in light of perpass. Many will need trustworthy help with crypto, because we are going to need a lot more robust crypto to start making this threat model's lives more difficult than they are at present. We have a bunch of new primitives we could use to replace the now-less-certain ones as we move forward: some of these could be extraordinarily useful for TLS1.3 - like, yes, (Curve|Ed)25519 - Safecurves is exactly (the beginning of) the kind of work we need, I think. And CFRG could, and should, help with that: recommendation of best-practice primitives, review of designs, protocols and structures - - I'm not sure if review of core implementations falls within its remit of where practice and theory meet, but _someone_ definitely ought to do much more review of where the crypto actually touches the ground (of all the areas, that is the one NSA targets most successfully, according to Snowden). I do think the perception of the trustworthiness of CFRG's advice, and thus how useful the WGs are likely to find it, will be very strongly coloured by this discussion, and whatever the ultimate outcome is; hence the (extraordinary) necessity of it being raised. Of course, that doesn't mean we necessarily have to wait. I note the drafts David mentions; I'll take a look at them, and I'll reply to Watson's thread when I have, but they seem like a start, at least. Season's greetings, everyone. - -- /akr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJSuhKhAAoJEOyEjtkWi2t62sUP/3xxovBY8YHRtjXkc3IaPz8A 3t6O2MkmLt2hSQwCYgwurnNkTQoIGCSfJZypWdhqiN2a/zAsLskAMMTQvd+64LIK H3C5ugMY2QVqHDGJ3gKri62h4gK86gzW4FV80cZU1jsOsPgXH9qE0xgTs4J2T7rC 03ep2CUPktWevesca9S+nGv4025/mRLM8s84Hyx6/gj7bexRfZtrqgX7k5FApS0S vKTZmJuogPY3HLLdLHQxTaDMN/CZA0Tavjvf9S8KqE5axl9ClhlhaSdYNuy6zIJK xKDjIZ/fHjOJRo1okndwhkiPUeww9vS9BXRZDqO0ogN7LUxvT9kPFRPQ31B/eZ5b Q24ES93lvagO+1x7KOCWnxb8XOistXXy/BaLX9di3mNueAtzmmaXhLWPqNC3i+AG eaEsu2BlhRsADXG8cpsIILC72+WQmz947dHfzaOKTELuCgn+pl4KDxIwNadQDri9 JY6iXa1c+Uq2mW6j6sUnoaXGfYLYrDSu4zUxcY+HJUU6XHYh691vKi/lhK94rxvV X5KR4Oi6T2fwdntXhHfgeq9ye763t4kDqokgOTw7bCZwfxd8xH2xdwvjFEZcGJs5 Gwklp5mVMs/AN3BHenotf0CI7k0pueW/uulH0EFK06vR6feImPX0btm8nDoDeVL0 y/32WEIrsqVQ6LQWYqFq =YXCf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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