Re: [Cfrg] Requesting removal of CFRG co-chair

Tao Effect <> Tue, 24 December 2013 02:15 UTC

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On Dec 23, 2013, at 9:05 PM, Richard Barnes <> wrote:

> Kevin is a regular IETF attendee, and an author of several RFCs.  

I never questioned that his name appears on several RFCs.

I even linked to such an RFC. :-)

It's just starting to become rather obvious that whoever is carrying this name around, probably considers it to either be an alias.

And even if that's not the case, it seems rather strange that someone who is serving as co-chair of an organization that makes recommendations to the world about the cryptography that it uses, appears to be rather difficult to hold accountable for the accusations that have been levied against him by multiple people in this thread.

So, the members of the CFRG might not be real people and don't seem to have any accountability? Is this the moral of the story?

It's also interesting to see some of the replies to my innocent questions.

Here's one from Stephen Farrell, it can be summarized entirely like so: "Oh FFS. Please cut the crap."

Here's one from John Bradley: "+1 Stephen's comment"

Some substance, gentlemen, please? This is not Facebook. It's easy to disturb the air with exclamations, but it's not a nice thing to do when your empty replies land hundreds? of inboxes.


Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA.

> He is most definitely a real person.  
> --Richard