Re: [Cfrg] Requesting removal of CFRG co-chair
idontneedcoffee <idontneedcoffee@gmail.com> Sun, 29 December 2013 18:18 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] Requesting removal of CFRG co-chair
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Agree, it would not "help" per se - but burning Kevin at the stake because of his nsa mark would not help either, since it would not really prevent any subversion attempts(there are thousand ways how powerful entities are influencing public organizations). But I guess this is not what this initiative is about. We're talking pure pr here - I took the recent publicity as an opportunity to get more itsec* people interested, but if you are right and the reaction to him staying at his current post would be the opposite - I agree with you, he should resign. I just joined so I'm far from being able to weight-in the possible consequences, I just wanted to point out that this situation can actually be helpful if dealt with carefully - and - due my near zero knowledge(as of today) about the inner workings of cfrg I might have been wrong.. or not.. have a nice day idnc On 12/29/2013 03:34 AM, Alyssa Rowan wrote: > On 29/12/2013 01:41, idontneedcoffee wrote: > > > if he would resign, most critics would consider(most of) their work > > done, > > I believe I've thought this through in detail. > > If you want to provide more oversight, and more input, and I heartily > encourage that, then please do so. I strongly believe more eyes would > help. But I don't believe that having Kevin remain as co-chair would > help: certainly not. > > Rather, in the event no action were taken and he did not resign or be > removed, I believe the wider security community would simply consider > CFRG unfit for purpose, and would not be willing to engage. (More than > one individual has outright said this.) > > I do not think that outcome would assist anyone, and it would prevent > us being able to use this RG as a base for providing review of > primitives, protocols and implementations, which needs to be done as > an important step in the long road to address the perpass threat. > > _______________________________________________ > Cfrg mailing list > Cfrg@irtf.org > http://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg
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