Re: [Cfrg] Requesting removal of CFRG co-chair
Alyssa Rowan <akr@akr.io> Mon, 23 December 2013 18:49 UTC
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From: Alyssa Rowan <akr@akr.io>
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 18:49:26 +0000
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 William Whyte <wwhyte@securityinnovation.com> wrote: >My position is that the NSA's mission includes subverting cryptographic >standards, and so it is inappropriate for an NSA employee to chair a >crypto working group in a standards body. I agree, and feel that it is the core of the issue. Those apparently arguing in favour of him remaining have seemingly avoided addressing this critical conflict of interest; the elephant in the room. Time for the elephant gun. Fact: Kevin, the co-chair, works for the NSA. [@nsa.gov] Fact: The NSA is known (and unanimously agreed) to be attacking the internet via mass surveillance among other means. [IETF 88 T/P] Fact: As part of that attack, the NSA has a department (apparently 141 personnel strong, with a yearly quarter-of-a-billion US dollar budget) whose task is to subvert crypto standards and implementations. [Snowden, SIGINT Enabling Project budget] Fact: We do not know what Kevin's tasks are at the NSA, or whether he is part of that department or not. (My comment: We are unlikely to ever know for certain, without another Snowden: any NSA statement on this would I believe be hard for many to take at face value given their conduct thus far. If he knew of that department's existence, he chose to say nothing; if he did not previously know, it's pretty clear he couldn't fail to know by now, but strangely still has said nothing, despite a rather lively discussion calling for his resignation.) So: 1. Should Kevin be removed from his co-chair position of this crypto advisory group? 2. If not, why do you think he should remain? 3. How would you expect this crypto advisory group to retain any credibility if it chose to retain an NSA employee as a co-chair, in light of everything now known? I've made my position clear: he should step down. Please, state yours. - -- /akr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: APG v1.0.9 iQI3BAEBCgAhBQJSuIW2GhxBbHlzc2EgUm93YW4gPGFrckBha3IuaW8+AAoJEOyE jtkWi2t6VhYQAJEaO4nunSPxcwfD2VYVoLlR+Szzn/cQbhrK8q7wj0fax+q0DEJ0 bT8WZWFPxsL6dfRXIRpIT9rodZH4ndP46yTST166MdQQEZfbcwwcD+QVSpjebK7N SD1X2jSa2hfanItUAfN7GTZxBW3y2tzn+N9z0cFw0dw8NIRzMdYVOHur74JS7k3r scJMob/So5yOALHB9L8poPyOD9pdPD3WUxkWg993OSoXxTcIFWS1eLzaf7VHlReq 2h72HsaxfCSL/nsSplAgxqgpyJNeLarOotDVYtezO+pBr5qikzifcM6S2wH7uCiF HCeuNpYmV5A9aJZX4q2YYqLP0bLM4CKEi+uUH6HxN/960s7CFr9dAbiHSPlwGwg2 Dmzc6Z7C/frD5SPVRSyia8vjUJCaSnmIn71cEuz5uV8xRg//vhcCtbrMOtjgXEFn PvSs+ctNGR845ZdzRwMCGHXqruDnHLOrltTxVwjjcwWEfmXeJCvVmL0U2x2u+KMq b0h+Dx2QGXxk4a1kwMOLY3sVmHIcA8VHS89vd2QnPgAY6P/VW6pvSWIAKslbmMSE d8girNDNkA/XWQZTbFY5YEudhLjeRw2GdAVzY7krvwoLDbxbIAFWjwBW5tZjdtvY E8zc8iQ2eG66C7iDlsJtnXgGA8S1SMuba/iur39zC/66Okx0rBCUSN1D =I6wY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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