Re: [Cfrg] Requesting removal of CFRG co-chair
Trevor Perrin <trevp@trevp.net> Sat, 21 December 2013 17:53 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] Requesting removal of CFRG co-chair
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On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote: > > > On 12/21/2013 05:25 PM, Trevor Perrin wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 2:42 AM, Eggert, Lars <lars@netapp.com> wrote: >>> >>> I'd also like to ask CFRG participants to discuss the arguments you are raising >> >> Hi Lars, >> >> I think the issues here are also relevant to the IETF WGs which rely on CFRG. > > I think that's a misunderstanding. IETF WGs can choose to ask > CFRG something and are then free to figure out what they think > of any answers received, so "rely on" is not correct. Hi Stephen, My impression is that WGs such as TLS do indeed rely on CFRG opinion. Perhaps that's their choice rather than an IETF mandate. Nonetheless it does occur, as was quite clear in the handling of Dragonfly: "The TLS WG isn't chartered to evaluate cryptographic mechanisms, so where there is some question we generally rely on CFRG for an opinion" - Eric Rescorla, TLS WG Chair http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tls/current/msg10819.html Trevor
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