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Re: [dmarc-ietf] what to document about the tree walk

Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> Wed, 13 July 2022 16:28 UTC

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From: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2022 12:27:49 -0400
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To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] what to document about the tree walk
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Whois vs RDAP isn't the issue.  PII about registrants has been
restricted by ICANN policy since GDPR.

Barry

On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 11:04 AM Murray S. Kucherawy
<superuser@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022 at 3:05 AM Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> wrote:
>>
>> Uh?  manuals recommend to look up WHOIS to determine the owner of
>> domains reported to suffer lame delegation and contact them...
>> Nowadays, contacts for domain names are not available that way.
>>
>> We could hijack reporting addresses, though.
>
>
> Since WHOIS is obsolete, you could try RDAP.  If that doesn't work, use the email address that's part of the SOA record (which is what it's for, really; see 3.3.13 of RFC 1035).  Still, automation of such notifications runs the risk of generating a lot of unwanted email, so we would really need to undertake such an effort carefully.
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> -MSK
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