Re: [dmarc-ietf] "psd=" tag early assignment

Douglas Foster <dougfoster.emailstandards@gmail.com> Thu, 07 July 2022 23:47 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] "psd=" tag early assignment
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So John  has confirmed that it is his intent to hide any information about
private registries, because the private registries create complexity for
his algorithm which he does not wish exposed.

Chairs, does IETF support this approach to design?

DF

On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 4:33 PM John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:

> It appears that Alessandro Vesely  <vesely@tana.it> said:
> >Anyway, we need an appendix with an example of private (or should we
> >call them secondary?) registry, to illustrate both the algorithm and
> >the setting of psd='s.
>
> Please, no.
>
> The description of the tree walk should be clear enough. Stacked PSDs
> are an 0.001% corner case and a long discussion of them will just
> confuse the 99.999% of domains unaffected by them.
>
> If this infinitesimal nit is really the only thing we have left to
> argue about, we must be done and we should ship it.
>
> R's,
> John
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