Re: [dmarc-ietf] "psd=" tag early assignment

Scott Kitterman <sklist@kitterman.com> Sun, 10 July 2022 16:46 UTC

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Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2022 16:45:59 +0000
From: Scott Kitterman <sklist@kitterman.com>
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] "psd=" tag early assignment
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On July 10, 2022 1:05:47 AM UTC, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>It appears that Scott Kitterman  <sklist@kitterman.com> said:
>>
>>
>>On July 9, 2022 5:07:43 PM UTC, Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, /should/!  The very fact that you yourself changed your mind about how it works, without going into the hassle
>>of explaining your reasoning, ...
>>>> 
>>>> Um, what?  Scott and I went through some rounds of debugging to be sure the tree walk handled some obscure edge cases
>>in a reasonable way.  It was all on this very mailing list with examples.  I think what we have now is OK but if you find
>>something in the tree walk that is unclear or gets an unreasonable result, let us know, preferably with a concrete example.
>>>
>>>I think I received all list messages (although I don't check against your weekly count) an I read all of them.  Perhaps
>>I've been inattentive, but I don't recall the switch from stop on psd=y to continue on psd=y if it's the first lookup.  Any
>>pointer?
>>
>>I don't recall having changed this.  If you can check the previous draft revisions to see when it changed, maybe I could
>>find it.  I'm confident that any changes to the way the tree walk works have been discussed on the list.
>
>I changed it in a pull request a few weeks ago.
>
>If you don't stop on the first psd=y that is not the original domain,
>you get the wrong result if there are DMARC records above the psd=y.
>
>I sent this example on June 21, link is
>https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dmarc/T-8NX63L8ilHPhHXMygKdTJ6zMM/
>
>a NXDOMAIN (or psd=y, doesn't matter)
>b.a blah
>c.b.a psd=y
>d.c.b.a blah
>e.d.c.b.a NXDOMAIN
>
>I think the org domain for e.d.c.b.a is d.c.b.a.
>
>If you don't stop at the psd=y, you get b.a as the org domain which still looks wrong to me.
>
>The description in the current draft gets d.c.b.a.

Thanks.  I remember now.  I viewed this as bug fixing the documentation, not any kind of substantive design changes.

Scott K