Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-dnssec-trust-anchor-11.txt>

"Joe Abley" <jabley@hopcount.ca> Fri, 09 October 2015 16:30 UTC

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From: Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca>
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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 12:30:03 -0400
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-dnssec-trust-anchor-11.txt>
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On 9 Oct 2015, at 12:20, manning wrote:

> On 9October2015Friday, at 4:41, Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca> wrote:
>
>> Aside from the motivation to provide a useful technical specification 
>> in a place where it can be easily found, I continue to feel that it 
>> is important that significant infrastructural elements of the 
>> Internet be described in the RFC series, even if they don't contain 
>> IETF working group output. This is our historical record. We would be 
>> doing a disservice to future enquiring minds if we chose to do 
>> otherwise.
>
> [...]
>
> It does beg the question however, why is this even being discussed in 
> an IETF WG if its not expected to be IETF WG product?

My assumption was that there's value in awareness in this venue, and 
that any competent shepherd will require positive indications of review 
from the relevant technical community, and this is it. Apologies if 
people feel differently, though; despite appearances to the contrary, 
I'm not simply on a mission to drown everybody in mail.

Following discussion here and off-list with various people, it seems 
clear to me that the best path forward for this document is the 
independent submission stream. This worked well for 7108 which is 
similar to this document in various respects.

So to clear up the lingering ambiguity, the authors are not requesting 
adoption of this document by the working group; we'll pick it up with 
the ISE. I will be bothering those who have demonstrated an opinion in 
due course for reviews for Nevil.


Joe