Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-dnssec-trust-anchor-11.txt>
Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Fri, 09 October 2015 19:08 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-dnssec-trust-anchor-11.txt>
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On Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 07:41:38AM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: > > When we published RFC 7108 as an independent submission there was no > suggestion that the IETF expected to wield change control over the > operations of L-Root. Independent submissions are not IETF products. I think that's what Bill (and Paul, for that matter) are talking about. > The only outcome I can see if we tried the same approach with > dnssec-trust-anchor is that we will want future mechanisms for trust anchor > publication (since the current mechanisms can, should and surely will be > improved) we will want mention of them also to appear in the RFC series, > updating or obsoleting the earlier guidance as appropriate. Those sound like "should be IETF products" in a way that the current case doesn't. I still think this is all an artificial and distracting distinction, but Bill and Paul are right that if you're just trying to publish "here's how we do it" without any helpful changes from the IETF the ISE is the way to handle the document. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com
- [DNSOP] Fwd: Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: Expiration impending: <draft-jab… Shane Kerr
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: Expiration impending: <draft-jab… Andras Salamon
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: Expiration impending: <draft-jab… Shane Kerr
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Jakob Schlyter
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Jakob Schlyter
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Richard Lamb
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Ralf Weber
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… W.C.A. Wijngaards
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Andrew Sullivan
- [DNSOP] Pity (was Re: Expiration impending: <draf… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Pity (was Re: Expiration impending: <… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Pity (was Re: Expiration impending: <… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Richard Lamb
- Re: [DNSOP] Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-d… Mehmet Akcin