[DNSOP] Pity (was Re: Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-dnssec-trust-anchor-11.txt>)

Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Fri, 09 October 2015 19:13 UTC

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Subject: [DNSOP] Pity (was Re: Expiration impending: <draft-jabley-dnssec-trust-anchor-11.txt>)
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On Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 12:30:03PM -0400, Joe Abley wrote:
> So to clear up the lingering ambiguity, the authors are not requesting
> adoption of this document by the working group; we'll pick it up with the
> ISE.

For whatever it's worth, I think this outcome shows that the IETF is
no longer able to take uncontroversial descriptions of what people are
doing them and process them with anything like the dispatch they
deserve.  I think that's unfortunate and is another symptom of the
IETF losing its relevance to the wider Internet, which is just going
to go off without us if we cannot handle what is happening there.

Best regards,

A (emphatically, speaking for myself only)

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Andrew Sullivan
ajs@anvilwalrusden.com