Re: [Doh] GDPR and DoH
Brian Dickson <brian.peter.dickson@gmail.com> Sat, 06 April 2019 20:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Doh] GDPR and DoH
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Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote: > > Second, I've no idea what T&C's have to do with this - if there > is a GDPR issue, then T&C's that nobody reads can't avoid that. I believe that is what the GDPR issue is. You keep making this point for everyone else, not sure you realize that. š In order for T&Cs to be applicable: they have to be read; the user has to understand them; and has to agree to them. (Those are themselves nontrivial UI issues.) So, unless it is possible to explain DNS resolver choice so that an ordinary user can understand it, the user canāt give informed choice. This implies that any app bypassing the system choice of resolver (notwithstanding your concern over āchoiceā), at a minimum would need to attempt to do so, or clearly run afoul of GDPR. Whether that attempt clears the bar would likely be an issue for lawyers and courts. The ISP issue isnāt relevant. Two wrongs donāt make a right, and bringing ISP DNS choice into this is deliberately conflating the issue, IMNSHO. Brian
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- Re: [Doh] GDPR and DoH Brian Dickson
- Re: [Doh] GDPR and DoH Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Doh] GDPR and DoH Brian Dickson
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