Re: [Doh] GDPR and DoH

Brian Dickson <brian.peter.dickson@gmail.com> Sat, 06 April 2019 22:08 UTC

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> On Apr 6, 2019, at 2:23 PM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 06/04/2019 21:13, Brian Dickson wrote:
>> The ISP issue isn’t relevant. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and
>> bringing ISP DNS choice into this is deliberately conflating the
>> issue, IMNSHO.
> Ok, that's where we disagree then. I think both ISP or
> browser choices of DNS recursive are the same in terms
> of (lack of) real consent. That doesn't mean either or
> both are "wrong" but I think it does mean that there's
> no really new consent issue here.

The distinction is similar vs new. They may be similar or even identical, but the browser one is very literally new.

Regardless of how the system choice of resolver/stub is done, it preexists as a/the mechanism for DNS resolution. Making changes to that choice (regardless of whether the previous choice was informed or explicit) IMHO requires additional consent, and that is what is new.

Lack of consent on the ISP does not justify, excuse, or convey implicit permission for an app to bypass the consent issue. 

Again, the above is MHO, but also, this consent problems is an issue that crosses over the line where leaving it unsettled by stating it is an issue we don’t agree to, does a disservice to the community of users of DNS.



> 
> (And btw, it's not great that you accuse me of "deliberately
> conflating" - to do so would mean discussing this dishonestly,
> and I am not doing that - it might be stylish of you to
> retract that accusation.)
> 

It is possible to conflate things honestly, and 
I apologize if you or anyone else may inferred otherwise. I withdraw the “deliberately” from my previous statement, with apologies.

Brian