Re: [Gendispatch] Exhausted pool [draft-knodel-nomcom-gender-representation-00]

Benson Muite <benson_muite@emailplus.org> Sun, 26 November 2023 08:14 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Exhausted pool [draft-knodel-nomcom-gender-representation-00]
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On 11/26/23 00:53, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> On 25-Nov-23 23:11, Michael Richardson wrote:
> ...
>  
>> I would like the document to deal with what happens if one gets to the
>> end of
>> the pool and there are still empty slots.
> 
> I think you have to withdraw the new rule, and accept that all ten will
> have
> the same gender that year.
> 
> (Geek question: What would happen with today's rule, if *all* volunteers
> were from four large companies, such that the maximum-2 constraint could
> not be satisfied? That won't happen, but it illustrates why
> over-constraining
> the criteria could get us into a dead end.)
> 
Nomcom does also get liaisons and can request external advisors.
Liaisons are not voting members (in an organization that does not
believe in voting). ISOC currently provides one liaison has a much
broader pool of participants than the IETF. At present selection of the
ISOC liaison is at the discretion of the ISOC board of trustees.
Possibly the number of ISOC liaisons could be increased to two and some
criteria provided to ensure that diverse perspectives are provided.
>    Brian
>