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Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com> Wed, 22 November 2023 08:34 UTC

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 09:34:15 +0100
From: Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com>
To: Mallory Knodel <mknodel=40cdt.org@dmarc.ietf.org>
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> Il 21/11/2023 17:51 CET Mallory Knodel <mknodel=40cdt.org@dmarc.ietf.org> ha scritto:
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> > I am a bit considered that the selected member could be tweaked by
> > discouraging eligble non-male candidates to volunteer. Do we have
> > any statistics on the past candidate pools to indicate there would
> > be at least several non-male candidates in the pool ?
> 
> I guess you're saying that this opens up a new attack on the nomcom 
> whereby the pool of gender minorities is reduced to 1. Maybe we just 
> need to state that as a risk?

If we really think that this attack needs to be prevented, the solution would be that the maximum gender representation limit applies only if there are at least X candidates not of that gender. Discouraging non-male candidates from applying would still be an attack, but at least it would not bring to a guaranteed seat for any candidate.

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