Re: [Gendispatch] Exhausted pool [draft-knodel-nomcom-gender-representation-00]

Mallory Knodel <mknodel@cdt.org> Sun, 26 November 2023 18:27 UTC

Return-Path: <mknodel@cdt.org>
X-Original-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C74DC14CE25 for <gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 10:27:34 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -7.104
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.104 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cdt.org
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X8lTFW0bzSc8 for <gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 10:27:29 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-pf1-x431.google.com (mail-pf1-x431.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::431]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F458C15153E for <gendispatch@ietf.org>; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 10:27:04 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-pf1-x431.google.com with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-6cbda959062so2908729b3a.1 for <gendispatch@ietf.org>; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 10:27:04 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cdt.org; s=google; t=1701023223; x=1701628023; darn=ietf.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=4Gn7ZJMykRiZUDWVyiEOC2heNhyHoudE/Tqit2m3+k4=; b=BmK+GYgbw6GPi/5+QLJ7BNEt121WUZSBvERTtR3s+eXzI0Cz3I63r6/mUQrSFLkGAi T1uO0nGdvofetGxXf1Rsbhl6+ZtqMzODDs0TH+0IQnpxeMZ4QM3OR1dnLGssDOBe3NbW HtLlLljWA6NjRZX/icTswKBTQiXwD/YXOB6u8=
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1701023223; x=1701628023; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=4Gn7ZJMykRiZUDWVyiEOC2heNhyHoudE/Tqit2m3+k4=; b=f7J0ECw3qKXT9kTD6MJq8kju7qgeUUPXixX/pA6ZWrktLi0K4FVEbC8Z+jQeTxvZ1W NZpzxTtEEy08exdvEvOJBH7pxEzmwGTiBeBO2P/bviVANLtSTd0+9TtU6W2lp2zj0KJb PbymuNCKpVYueepKPy1FcA4IG6BWlFu2TGcv4Tw17TcCraN70l935lnjQ/NHbuGL9gKA 3QPNv2/9rYf7eHPGQHwLWUSqoehsZLWoURlbpqVv0Ljn84BxXvBYyxvGIc+JYok2hdI1 pLAkw4J0rCM+55TDXUBedhJFv1s1N2AP3MAHISm2cqxgbUF+ZaGFph39HWtx5N4AaQGh DUUw==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxN6pxskK4BMsIbBOFGEOdzl+33J59NEFzbIgn3VH1inDQ/sfpa PE7yvZtAqpiqKMaM+nKJ2nPWmzmdu2HWYG5eDan8CQ==
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IF1E6R0ZN3uwzeNtpnMPcc8exBWHrfPvq5HNm6kqGjozbn1V6+oePyC/d+Gg+jEDnoKjV4lMMw5Gbqi5C9nlP4=
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a20:a1a0:b0:188:c44:5e5 with SMTP id r32-20020a056a20a1a000b001880c4405e5mr6858337pzk.30.1701023223471; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 10:27:03 -0800 (PST)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <f871d358-8d9d-4714-99a8-6a51198a61c9@cdt.org> <5282ED25-E538-493A-A7B5-DA34CD0460ED@yahoo.com> <CALaySJ+4206AH0BoTvsLkn4LYw-TcdBFJSc0vCK6BR58QH=zfA@mail.gmail.com> <392227.1700907092@dyas> <f602a1b1-0dc0-ec19-8503-92300945a91a@gmail.com> <463711.1701022814@dyas>
In-Reply-To: <463711.1701022814@dyas>
From: Mallory Knodel <mknodel@cdt.org>
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 13:26:52 -0500
Message-ID: <CAGVFjMJoFn1vdp7-n+GQgWEkda9T6Xw4uU4X-G3wVcsCieqkVQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
Cc: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, eligibility-discuss@ietf.org, gendispatch@ietf.org
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fd70c1060b12541f"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/mm_LCT2euj7CIEIaDgKQdkbx5CM>
Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Exhausted pool [draft-knodel-nomcom-gender-representation-00]
X-BeenThere: gendispatch@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: General Area Dispatch <gendispatch.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/gendispatch>, <mailto:gendispatch-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/gendispatch/>
List-Post: <mailto:gendispatch@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:gendispatch-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gendispatch>, <mailto:gendispatch-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 18:27:34 -0000

On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 at 13:20, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
wrote:

>
> Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>     >> I would like the document to deal with what happens if one gets to
> the
>     >> end of the pool and there are still empty slots.
>
>     > I think you have to withdraw the new rule, and accept that all ten
> will
>     > have the same gender that year.
>
> That may be the answer; the document should say so.
>

Agree. I can add a sentence to the final paragraph of the remedy section.

-Mallory

>
>     > (Geek question: What would happen with today's rule, if *all*
>     > volunteers were from four large companies, such that the maximum-2
>     > constraint could not be satisfied? That won't happen, but it
>     > illustrates why over-constraining the criteria could get us into a
> dead
>     > end.)
>
> It could happen, it's just as MSJ said, unlikely.
> And we don't know what to do for this either.
>
>
>
> --
> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
>  -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-                      *I*LIKE*TRAINS*
>
>
>
>