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Re: [Gendispatch] Exhausted pool [draft-knodel-nomcom-gender-representation-00]

Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Mon, 27 November 2023 18:06 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Exhausted pool [draft-knodel-nomcom-gender-representation-00]
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> On Nov 26, 2023, at 1:06 PM, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> 
> According to Benson Muite  <benson_muite@emailplus.org>:
>> Nomcom does also get liaisons and can request external advisors.
>> Liaisons are not voting members (in an organization that does not
>> believe in voting). ISOC currently provides one liaison has a much
>> broader pool of participants than the IETF. ...
> 
> Not really.  ISOC sends an observer to the nomcom to see that the
> nomcom follows the process as it is supposed to.  The observer does
> not participate in any of the substantive discussions.
> 
> When I was on the ISOC board, the observer was always one of the
> board members slected by the IAB, so it would be someone who was
> familiar with the nomcom.  I was the observer one time.

Also good to clarify, that it is the ISOC Board who sends a observer to the NomCom, not the ISOC staff.

Bob

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