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Mallory Knodel <mknodel@cdt.org> Tue, 21 November 2023 14:06 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for draft-knodel-nomcom-gender-representation-00.txt
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On 11/21/23 9:03 AM, Jim Reid wrote:
>> On 21 Nov 2023, at 13:39, Mallory Knodel<mknodel=40cdt.org@dmarc.ietf.org>  wrote:
>>
>> I don't know if there is literature that supports better outcomes for proportionate gender representation on hiring panels.
> IMO it would be wise to gather evidence about that before proposing changes to the IETF’s equivalent of hiring panels. It would also be helpful to provide metrics and measurable outcomes that can be used to assess how effective a proposed change has been. More women (or any other under-represented group) on the nomcom may well be a very good thing. But how does that get determined? How do we measure success or failure? For some definition of those terms.

Thanks, Jim. The draft includes a citation to that literature. In the 
draft I mention that we do not have a habit of tracking gender, but it 
is self reported. Do you think this document should be the place where 
those metrics and pass/fail outcomes are defined?

-M

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