Re: [i2rs] Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-08: (with COMMENT)

Tom,

Let me be absolutely clear - and this is not just directed at you,
obviously.

The IESG shares the various balloting positions for transparency.
They are supposed to be handling specific technical concerns and objections.

I am extremely disappointed in the quality of the discussion, the efforts
to reopen
topics that have been closed and approved for publication, and the shocking
and
appalling unwillingness to listen or discuss the actual issues involved.

I2RS uses feature extensions that were not available in basic YANG and
NetConf.
Those features are used in I2RS models.   Unsurprisingly, this can and does
carry
security implications depending on the details of the feature.

IF several of you have not been thinking through the implications of the
work, it
is not for lack of effort on the part of the I2RS WG or its chairs, in the
past and present.

It would be fascinating to see conversation delving into the technical
questions instead
of trying to assert how things should be without doing the detailed work of
understanding
the implications.

I have excellent technical conversations with most of you across many years.

I am extremely disappointed.

Alia

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Thomas Nadeau <tnadeau@lucidvision.com>
wrote:

>
>         Please refer to what Benoit just said.
>
>         —Tom
>
>
> > On Jan 24, 2017:7:10 PM, at 7:10 PM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Tom:
> >
> > Unclear what you are saying.
> >
> > Sue
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Nadeau
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:02 PM
> > To: Susan Hares
> > Cc: i2rs@ietf.org; Anton Ivanov
> > Subject: Re: [i2rs] Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on
> draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-08: (with COMMENT)
> >
> >
> >       Sue:
> >
> >       The implication of that statement is that actual implementations
> (like ODL etc) now need to copy/paste this model without the I2RS text to
> use them in other ways. This seems strange and just about the most
> inefficient way to use these that I can think of.
> >
> >       —Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 24, 2017:12:50 PM, at 12:50 PM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Anton:
> >>
> >> See earlier message to Martin.  Topology models are I2RS YANG Models
> >> designed for ephemeral state with specific security concerns.  This is
> >> not your basic YANG model no matter which data store ephemeral gets
> linked to.
> >> Where is ephemeral state?  By IESG Design of charter, I2RS is not in
> >> charge of defining ephemeral state solution.  NETMOD/NETCONF are.  Go
> ask them.
> >>
> >> Do not blame the messenger echoing NETMOD results,
> >>
> >> Sue
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Anton Ivanov
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 8:30 AM
> >> To: i2rs@ietf.org
> >> Subject: Re: [i2rs] Kathleen Moriarty's No Objection on
> >> draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-08: (with COMMENT)
> >>
> >> On 24/01/17 11:52, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:
> >>> Susan,
> >>>
> >>> so are these YANG models regular YANG models or are these YANG models
> >>> specific to the yet to be defined I2RS protocol and yet to be defined
> >>> datastores?
> >>>
> >>> I think this is the core of Martin's and my question. A simple clear
> >>> and concise answer would be nice.
> >>
> >> +1.
> >>
> >> A.
> >>
> >>
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