Re: [Idr] IETF LC for IDR-ish document <draft-ietf-grow-bgp-reject-05.txt> (Default EBGP Route Propagation Behavior Without Policies) to Proposed Standard

Gert Doering <> Wed, 26 April 2017 12:54 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Idr] IETF LC for IDR-ish document <draft-ietf-grow-bgp-reject-05.txt> (Default EBGP Route Propagation Behavior Without Policies) to Proposed Standard
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On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 02:00:45PM +0200, Robert Raszuk wrote:
> So let's talk examples ... for my own education.
> If you are provider and have 1000 multihomed customers with v4/v6 PI space.
> Imagine you want to apply granular policy better then permit all on your
> inbound.
> How practically (considering that your customers get address block all the
> time) you wilk track and adjust policy o  a daily basis ?
> You need offline machinery when unless they log in and inform you their
> routes will be denied. Moreover your backend must be able to check if
> prefix does not belong to someone else .... Oh wait what if someone else
> just sold it to them ?
> With PA blocks policy works well ... with PI I think not so.

We do IRRDB lookups twice a day and build prefix- and as-path filters from 
there.  Filters get uploaded to routers if something changes (with some
safety net for "the tool hickupped, and the result is empty").

As do all my upstreams, as we're not buying from networks that cannot
be bothered to do such basic network hygiene.

I consider this industry best practice, even if some large transit ISPs
consider this "too much work" (which is the other end of the BGP leak

> And if you are customer and have 4 prefixes in BGP table thing are fine. If
> you by accident become transit and advertise fulm table around I think we
> can do better in BGP to protect from it then mandate policy.

Evidence shows that, as of today, we can not.

"Shooting" would sound like an alternative and very american way to solve 
the issue, but I'm sure that many IETF members would frown on this.

Gert Doering
        -- NetMaster
have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?

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