RE: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets

Hi Jordi.

IESG members are nearly full-time. Someone is paying them a salary to be full-time ADs, and that presumably includes travel and registration.

NOC people also have a day job, and while I can get my employer to pay my way to the IETF because I'm working on this or that document, and participating in such-and-such working group, I don't think they would pay for an extra few days for me to run the network at a meeting. So the NOC people really need it.

Yoav

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From: ietf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Sent: 16 November 2010 17:31
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Cc: iaoc@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets

I just realized something ...

Note that I'm not saying that volunteer NOC is not good, but, if they are
waived from the registration fee ... Why IESG members not ?

Is that we valuate less the effort of the IESG members, which is across all
the time in the year, than NOC that is may be 6-7 weeks per year (assuming 2
weeks or so needed per meeting) ?

I think we really need to have a balance on this.

Regards,
Jordi

> From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
> Reply-To: <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:38:16 +0800
> To: IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>
> Cc: "iaoc@ietf.org" <iaoc@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets
> 
> I'm still not convinced.
> 
> If you accept to be waived, you should accept that the waiver is made
> public. It is not a matter of privacy, you're not forced to.
> 
> Moreover, and this needs to be answered, or we have a problem. What is the
> RFC that allows this waiver ?
> 
> Regards,
> Jordi
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> From: Marshall Eubanks <tme@americafree.tv>
>> Reply-To: <tme@americafree.tv>
>> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:24:49 -0500
>> To: Yoav Nir <ynir@checkpoint.com>
>> Cc: "iaoc@ietf.org" <iaoc@ietf.org>, IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>,
>> "jordi.palet@consulintel.es" <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
>> Subject: Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 12, 2010, at 4:08 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 12, 2010, at 7:36 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Henk,
>>>> 
>>>> I don't agree. If there is people "essential" to the meeting but can't pay,
>>>> as we all pay for that, we have the right to know.
>>> 
>>> I disagree with that. There is a privacy issue here. If x can't pay his way,
>>> and needs a comp ticket, it's enough that the IETF chair knows about this.
>>> It's not our right to know of their financial situation.
>> 
>> +1
>> 
>> Marshall
>> 
>>> 
>>>> This is an open organization right ? I will be VERY concerned if we don't
>>>> have this information being made public immediately. It sounds really
>>>> really
>>>> strange to me.
>>> 
>>> You pay for everything the Spanish government does, which, I assume,
>>> includes
>>> some kinds of welfare like unemployment benefits. You don't get a list of
>>> all
>>> people who get these benefits, do you?
>>> 
>>>> Is it documented in any RFC ?
>>>> 
>>>> Moreover, if I'm in between jobs, or need a new job, or whatever, I think
>>>> is
>>>> good for me that others know, in case I can get some new offers.
>>> 
>>> People look for jobs in various ways at their discretion. Being from Spain,
>>> there are only 6 more of your countrymen at the Beijing meeting. How many
>>> relevant job offers would you get?
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