Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets
bill manning <bmanning@isi.edu> Tue, 16 November 2010 18:50 UTC
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another datapoint for those keeping score. I am aware of people who register, pay and don't attend. seems that IETF attendance is a value proposition. is it worth it (to my organization/self) to spend the time, money, effort to engage in the IETF and its processes? for some, the burden of recent years (the "note well", the slipping off of long-time support in favor of quasi-autonomous independence, the IPR constraints, the increase in fees) changed the equation and there are people who don't participate anymore. I think the community is poorer as a result. perhaps we should take a leaf from the IoT community and insist on implanted RFID tags as our badges? surely that would make it easier to track attendees and allow for a much finer grained billing structure? --bill On 16November2010Tuesday, at 10:01, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > >> Ok, so then let's ask for comp status. >> >> I've been paying from my own pocket all my IETF registration and traveling >> expenses from the last 2 years, and can't further do it, specially because >> it seems to me that the systems is unfair if we don't have good reasons to >> justify each case. > > You make two claims without any justification: 1. The system is > "unfair" and 2. We don't have good reasons. Not exactly a good > starting point for your "application". > > You are not the only person who has paid part or all his/her > registration and travel expenses. Welcome to the club. > >> >> Let me know what the IAOC needs from me to justify my case. I'm happy to >> send it publicly. > > The "comp status" is given in exceptional circumstances for people who > really need to be present at the meeting, such as those running the > NOC, IESG members without corporate (or private) support etc. If you > fall into any of those categories, I see no reason why you could not > ask for support. This is at the discretion of the IETF chair in most > cases. > >> >> Regards, >> Jordi >> >> > > Ole > > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal > Cisco Systems > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 > E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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- Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets Lucy Lynch
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- Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets Richard L. Barnes
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- Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets Scott Brim
- Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets bill manning
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