Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets

On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:

> I just realized something ...
>
> Note that I'm not saying that volunteer NOC is not good, but, if they are
> waived from the registration fee ... Why IESG members not ?

Jordi -

With respect, this is a more subtle problem set then you're
seeing. I'm a NOC volunteer and I paid on own way this time
and have for most meetings.

Back when I worked for the University of Oregon and volunteering
I had my registration covered for a couple of meetings when I
traveled on my own dime to help get me to the meeting (and the NOC).

My current contributions are not core to getting the network up,
so I just figure out how manage my day job, the IETF, and the NOC
on my own. At least once as an IAOC member I paid my own registration
and travel as the UO didn't see any value in the process role. I
used vacation time and could manage the expense on my own, so I did.

- Lucy

> Is that we valuate less the effort of the IESG members, which is across all
> the time in the year, than NOC that is may be 6-7 weeks per year (assuming 2
> weeks or so needed per meeting) ?
>
> I think we really need to have a balance on this.
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
>
>
>
>> From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
>> Reply-To: <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
>> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 06:38:16 +0800
>> To: IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>
>> Cc: "iaoc@ietf.org" <iaoc@ietf.org>
>> Subject: Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets
>>
>> I'm still not convinced.
>>
>> If you accept to be waived, you should accept that the waiver is made
>> public. It is not a matter of privacy, you're not forced to.
>>
>> Moreover, and this needs to be answered, or we have a problem. What is the
>> RFC that allows this waiver ?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jordi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Marshall Eubanks <tme@americafree.tv>
>>> Reply-To: <tme@americafree.tv>
>>> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:24:49 -0500
>>> To: Yoav Nir <ynir@checkpoint.com>
>>> Cc: "iaoc@ietf.org" <iaoc@ietf.org>, IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>,
>>> "jordi.palet@consulintel.es" <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
>>> Subject: Re: [IAOC] Badges and blue sheets
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 12, 2010, at 4:08 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 12, 2010, at 7:36 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Henk,
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't agree. If there is people "essential" to the meeting but can't pay,
>>>>> as we all pay for that, we have the right to know.
>>>>
>>>> I disagree with that. There is a privacy issue here. If x can't pay his way,
>>>> and needs a comp ticket, it's enough that the IETF chair knows about this.
>>>> It's not our right to know of their financial situation.
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Marshall
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This is an open organization right ? I will be VERY concerned if we don't
>>>>> have this information being made public immediately. It sounds really
>>>>> really
>>>>> strange to me.
>>>>
>>>> You pay for everything the Spanish government does, which, I assume,
>>>> includes
>>>> some kinds of welfare like unemployment benefits. You don't get a list of
>>>> all
>>>> people who get these benefits, do you?
>>>>
>>>>> Is it documented in any RFC ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Moreover, if I'm in between jobs, or need a new job, or whatever, I think
>>>>> is
>>>>> good for me that others know, in case I can get some new offers.
>>>>
>>>> People look for jobs in various ways at their discretion. Being from Spain,
>>>> there are only 6 more of your countrymen at the Beijing meeting. How many
>>>> relevant job offers would you get?
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