Re: Proposed Update to Note Well

Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> Sat, 23 June 2012 11:47 UTC

Return-Path: <barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93BB21F84FA for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 04:47:56 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -102.946
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.946 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t3LZVby5k6Nt for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 04:47:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2968F21F84F0 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 04:47:55 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by lbbgo11 with SMTP id go11so5025718lbb.31 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 04:47:55 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=aDOsEgru8zAud9TMbte1QyTG0FHeCzWZsutgyEyfPkA=; b=ksRWyehr2Ryc2mm/Ym9OuuVhUwwhOJY42g6+FKGHxXwDEja2TiRXVIEgM56iODhtMc oo5c7/K8Q/HUpHDEGmnEXVygJgnoSn+BNWPWU1PiKF+mVpytHDbc/7FrAMUz129QjxR6 UqD09eLnmt5zt3+4gUlgYDjOzimaKD7F4VMRTiARtM0GvLfCQnFBIvv4lXBd+4BeAHdT 8Ax2rKorCVFrj+Nerxo0oNV6LYIGYCG53SRtunku8xcisVBW1kNORZ1+24o6TPWQ5qiU zcsc5/kpXqSh5CZFalHedaYh5zOUr1XVmdYWu0pwdnlCRVrEwZUD0oeOsy2tD9mq7vKw C5KQ==
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.152.108.144 with SMTP id hk16mr5400747lab.2.1340452074999; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 04:47:54 -0700 (PDT)
Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com
Received: by 10.112.48.104 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 04:47:54 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <BC155647-7F8A-4053-9B69-760114E85988@netapp.com>
References: <4FCF5B92.3070703@qualcomm.com> <4FCF5F99.3060807@cisco.com> <4FCF6BD5.7080503@qualcomm.com> <4FCF8471.2050701@cisco.com> <AEF1278E-68D1-47D3-932A-8B4940E864A0@harvard.edu> <4FD0679D.60304@cisco.com> <4FD068BC.5050405@cs.tcd.ie> <CAP0PwYZb87zRv0HpTES1twLnnTWUk9ft80bupUoB5f62P3eL=A@mail.gmail.com> <4FD0A53A.6010406@innovationslab.net> <4FD0AAA5.3060400@cisco.com> <C07B527F-37D1-4340-BF7D-F1B6BD263726@gmail.com> <4FD0B3A1.7090001@qualcomm.com> <4FD0B3FA.90704@qualcomm.com> <CAP0PwYYjbaHqkk7z5dXBB4kcH=NhT5_MofHFpwpgXnXvBG_tKQ@mail.gmail.com> <4FD0B86E.8020008@qualcomm.com> <CALaySJKSzsgpmxaiTsHMAEBJNTyPGScMnsfTM=rbMiMEUREb6w@mail.gmail.com> <BD3F594E-0ED1-4079-836F-5D7F5D63AD91@harvard.edu> <CAP0PwYam-arXn1vYebn16d7b_paD7P9ZwKhG1aYgCo2yxuUWaQ@mail.gmail.com> <4FD0F8C5.8000100@qualcomm.com> <4FD10927.8020906@qualcomm.com> <CALaySJ+cMTbcsQQXTa4xhxS+0jBHah4XBXuHEeo4+i2iv1cRVg@mail.gmail.com> <F1B6C50A-C9D2-46F6-B068-EBED878CC0AD@vigilsec.com> <C248F169-CCB5-4B88-9950-02714CCC89AE@gmail.com> <BC155647-7F8A-4053-9B69-760114E85988@netapp.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 13:47:54 +0200
X-Google-Sender-Auth: fmTMbgaE08gvaMl6M4SQ2TKiG6s
Message-ID: <CAC4RtVBF3Xh5Cb3huvANQTRe6zQPNkAwoZJn12-6z+HsYR8gsg@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Proposed Update to Note Well
From: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
To: "Eggert, Lars" <lars@netapp.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="bcaec54d4dd6c4d01304c322519a"
Cc: IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:47:57 -0000

> having just gone through a similar exercise over on the IRTF side of
things
> (see http://irtf.org/ipr), I wonder if what we came up with as a text
couldn't
> be adapted to also work for the IETF

It's too long.  We're looking for something *very* short, just a "sound
bite", which gets the main point across and sends anyone who needs more
details to the right place.  That's why we're trying to resist all the
"Yes, but that's not quite it, and you have to add this" modifications.  I
think even the initial one we posted is a bit too long, and PSA has
distilled it, in a couple of his messages, to what I think is the real
essence.

Barry