Re: discussion style and respect

[Alia Atlas <[e-mail]>]

Melnda,

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Melinda Shore <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> On 6/11/15 11:44 AM, Alia Atlas wrote:
> > One aspect is to work on improving and discussing how to handle
> > consensus issues for the WG Chairs. Anyone who hasn't read through
> > RFC 7282 really should.  In the Routing area, we've been having
> > periodic Working Group chair training sessions.  You can see the
> > presentation and recording for the one we did "On Consensus" at:
> > http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/WGChairTraining .
>
> These are really nice - might be useful as a basis for a
> working group chairs training track.  Right now there really
> isn't such thing - the working group chairs training sessions
> are useful and I think need to continue as is, but some sort
> of training for new chairs seems valuable and might help us
> avoid some of what's under discussion at the moment.


Thanks!  It's something that I feel is important to work on.  I think that
the IETF
tends to have people learn to be WG chairs by what I call the
"apprenticeship"
method.  New WG chairs are paired with an experienced one and picks up what
to do
and how things are done based on what they've seen while participating in
the
IETF.  On top of that, at least in Routing, we have a number of WG groups
and
their chairs that have been WG Chairs for a long time.  It can be useful to
discuss what's taken for granted - particularly as process changes or new
ideas
need to be emphasized.

It may not be apparent from the recordings, but we also have unrecorded time
to allow for frank conversation and that is sometimes quite useful for
discussing
specific examples.

I would be quite happy for these to get more and wider viewing and to be
useful
beyond the initial presentation.  That said, I do feel like part of the
benefit of these
is to enable conversations and strengthen relationships between the WG
Chairs
so that they can get support and advice from more people.

I'm intending to come to the EDUNEXT BoF at IETF 93 and am happy to talk
more about ideas.

Regards,
Alia