Re: discussion style and respect
Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com> Fri, 12 June 2015 13:18 UTC
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From: Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com>
Subject: Re: discussion style and respect
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 09:18:20 -0400
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On Jun 12, 2015, at 6:49 AM, Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> wrote: > The core issues are that we do not adequately define unacceptable > behavior and we do essentially no enforcement, except in the most > extreme cases and for the most marginalized participant. This is definitely /a/ core issue. However, the anti-reason tactics that people have talked about previously are also an important and separate problem, which can only be addressed by working group chairs who do a good job of calling consensus. I mentioned appeals because we hardly ever get appeals that address failures of this sort. Appeals of this sort are not a bad thing, and we need more of them. It should be embarrassing for us at the plenary if the IESG reports that they got no appeals, rather then embarrassing for them if they have to report that they got none, assuming there was something worth appealing that trimester.
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