Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technical discussion.

Lloyd W <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk> Wed, 09 June 2021 03:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technical discussion.
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It's worth pointing out that, as the IETF increases its reliance on Microsoft-owned github, and discussion moves more and more from IETF-managed mailing lists to git pull requests, IETF discussions become subject to Microsoft's own underlying social media rules. Git has now morphed from a complex command-line tool into a social network with, like, the worst interface ever, which makes it a natural fit with the computing vistas of Redmond.

https://microsoft.github.io/codeofconduct/

Still, good to know who runs things around here.

Lloyd Wood
lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk

now I really miss Myspace.

> On 6 Jun 2021, at 10:02, Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com> wrote:
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> 
> But just a few weeks ago, we had a "tools" survey circulating, and several of the questions related to using assorted social media platforms for IETF work.
> 
> If you can get banned for a kill -9 comment -- well, we really can't be using that platform for IETF stuff. Even for jokes, apparently.