Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technical discussion.
Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Sun, 06 June 2021 04:42 UTC
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From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2021 00:41:50 -0400
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Subject: Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technical discussion.
To: Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com>
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On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 11:48 PM Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com> wrote: > > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Jun 5, 2021, 10:17 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> > wrote: > > Mathematical Mesh 3.0 Part VII: Mesh Callsign Service (ietf.org) > > ---- > > This is exactly where I was trying to go with P2P-SIP/RELOAD but didn't > get to, and it seems quite clever. The key is in using the distributed tree > to store ephemeral but still relatively long-lived registrations, not > massive or rapidly changing data. > Thanks, The key is stripping out all the expensive parts of running DNS. Query is pushed onto the Mesh Service Providers. So all the registry does is to receive registration requests, validate the signatures on them and publish them if correct. The registry log is broadcast in real time to the service providers subscribing to it and is signed at regular intervals. Unlike the DNS, there is no single point of failure, the most an attacker can hope for is to take out one Service Provider, not 'the Internet' as would be the case if .com went down. Even taking out the callsign registry merely prevents updates reaching the service providers for a short while. Cross notarization of the user and their Mesh Service Providers and the Mesh Service Providers and the callsign registry is sufficient to mesh all the signed notarized logs into a single entity. No party can defect undetected without the collusion of every other party. So Alice would have to be party to her own bamboozlement. Once Alice has registered @alice, it is hers forever, it is bound to her public key credential. If she misbehaves, curation services can mark her account as being abusive. But they only have the power to describe, the power to accept or reject her content lies with Alice herself.
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- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Fred Baker
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Töma Gavrichenkov
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Dean Willis
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Jared Mauch
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Dean Willis
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- RE: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Larry Masinter
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Emil Ivov
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Christian Hopps
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Salz, Rich
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Dean Willis
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Salz, Rich
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- RE: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Larry Masinter
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Fred Baker
- RE: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Larry Masinter
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Lloyd W
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… lloydwood@users.sourceforge.net
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Bron Gondwana
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Keith Moore
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Keith Moore
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Andy Ringsmuth
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Lloyd W
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Keith Moore
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Keith Moore
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Randy Presuhn
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Dean Willis
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Andy Ringsmuth
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Keith Moore
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- Re: Moderation at scale is hard^Wimpossible, or W… Emil Ivov
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Richard Shockey
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- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Aqua Q Glass
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Lloyd W
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Lloyd W
- RE: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Lloyd W
- RE: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: Why we really can't use Facebook for technica… Phillip Hallam-Baker
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