Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps

Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Fri, 26 December 2014 22:53 UTC

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Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 16:53:33 -0600
From: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: IETF areas re-organisation steps
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On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 04:47:48PM -0600, Nico Williams wrote:
> Again, if too much structure is the problem (the WG square pegs not
> fitting in the "area" circular slots), then reducing the amount of
> structure seems likely better than adding structure.

Reducing the amount of structure now might allow for a better structure
-that we can't yet see- to arise organically.

If we're going to experiment, try reducing structure.

Another benefit of this approach is that it will allow the IESG to be
right-sized more easily, with the IESG asking for more members if it's
overloaded, and the NOMCOM not nominating anyone for open-but-unneeded
positions.

Nico
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