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Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-classless-ipv6-00)

David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org> Sat, 03 June 2017 06:38 UTC

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Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2017 09:29:38 +0300
From: David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org>
To: Job Snijders <job@ntt.net>, Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com>
Cc: draft-bourbaki-6man-classless-ipv6@ietf.org, IETF IPv6 Mailing List <ipv6@ietf.org>, Peter Hessler <phessler@theapt.org>
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Subject: Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-classless-ipv6-00)
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On Jun 3, 2017, 6:23 AM +0300, Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com>, wrote:

> I think that's the fundamental agenda here, although perhaps not
> realised. It is to devolve IPv6's capabilities and features to the
> point where IPv6 isn't really much more than IPv4 with a different
> packet format, and so the IPv4 operational practices people are
> comfortable with can be directly applied to IPv6 without change. This
> is because of the common human trait of intolerance of or resistance
> to change.

In most large scale environments, change of "operational practices" implies cost. In this context, I believe there is a perception that the additional cost is for minimal benefit -- customers don't care (and are unwilling to pay a differential) if their cat pictures come over IPv4 or IPv6. As such, the resistance here is more about not wanting to spend more money than it is some sort of psychological roadblock associated with a common human trait.

Regards,
-drc

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