Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-classless-ipv6-00)
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Subject: Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-classless-ipv6-00)
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 11:43:56 +0200
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> Many of the arguments against this draft seem to > be of the form "this is bad because it might allow > uninformed people to make bad decisions which > could have bad outcomes." I find this line of reasoning > to be somewhat disturbing. > > Imagine, if you will, early man, out hunting for food > using his typical tool, a blunt club. Along comes Thag, > with a sharpened stick, ready to join the hunt. Early > man looks at it and says "wait...that looks dangerous; > someone could use that the wrong way, and hurt > themselves, or potentially hurt me. Rather than > take that risk, and potentially learn new, more > efficient ways of getting food, let's just ban it > now, before anyone gets any new ideas." > We could still be out on the plains, beating > our meat with blunt clubs instead of learning > new ways of hunting. We shouldn't fear progress, > even if it comes with a few roadbumps and bruises. > > This draft isn't saying you *have* to use a bit boundary > other than /64; it's simply saying you have the *option* > to do so, if you like. It's giving people the flexibility to > try new combinations out; some of them may be ill-advised; > a few warriors may come back with one less limb, having > discovered the _pointy_ end goes towards the prey. But > on the whole, the potential for advancement would seem > to outweigh the risks of people maybe doing something > stupid here and there. > > I support this draft for its ability to look beyond the > classful box, to a world in which creative new possibilities > open up before us, enabling new and unusual addressing > models and the potential for discovering new network > topologies we'd never considered before. > We shouldn't let ourselves be ruled by the fear of what > someone *might* do, and hold ourselves back from the > chance to progress and expand outside of our current > box. > > Let's bring innovation back to the Internet. I believe that innovation in the IP layer hinders innovation other places in the stack (aka the Internet). A core principle of the Internet architecture is to keep the waist of the hourglass/wineglass narrow to allow for Innovation above and below. Best regards, Ole
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- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Chris Morrow
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… David Conrad
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Simon Hobson
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Carsten Bormann
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Job Snijders
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Mark Smith
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Matthew Petach
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Randy Bush
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 Havard Eidnes
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 Randy Bush
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… james woodyatt
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Erik Kline
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… james woodyatt
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… otroan
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Leddy, John
- The waist diameter (was: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: dr… otroan
- Re: The waist diameter (was: Deprecating IPv6 (Re… Tom Herbert
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… james woodyatt
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Fred Baker
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… james woodyatt
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… james woodyatt
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Ca By
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… james woodyatt
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Don Sturek
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Fred Baker
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Simon Hobson
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… james woodyatt
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Mark Andrews
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Simon Hobson
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Leddy, John
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Mark Andrews
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Fernando Gont
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Simon Hobson
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Carsten Bormann
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Mark Andrews
- Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-cla… Simon Hobson