Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-classless-ipv6-00)

Simon Hobson <linux@thehobsons.co.uk> Fri, 09 June 2017 20:55 UTC

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Subject: Re: Deprecating IPv6 (Re: draft-bourbaki-6man-classless-ipv6-00)
From: Simon Hobson <linux@thehobsons.co.uk>
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Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> wrote:

> On 06/09/2017 03:58 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
>> Just because you are not used to home routers that configure multiple
>> subnets doesn't mean they don't exist.

>> Because we will ship routers that do multiple subnets by default
>> because that is what is needed to deal with situations like you
>> describe above.

And conversely, just because they exists doesn't mean that any ISP will ship them - or ship them configured to anything more than a basic single network.

Besides, for this to work properly it's going to require VLANs and multiple wireless SSIDs unless you limit the network to the ports on the router. Good luck getting that to work with the average user.


>> Uses will come up.  I use 3 subnets today for the home.  I would
>> expect that I'll use more in the future.  Once more than one becomes
>> common people will design stuff that can make use of additional
>> subnets.

I can see uses for about 3 or 4 segments - note, segments rather than subnets ! You are not clear whether you are talking about multiple segments or a single network with multiple subnets. If it's the latter then it adds almost zero security, if the former than it's beyond the average user to deal with.

> (you || me || we) != users
> 
> network_knowledge(users) == NULL

Thanks - you've expressed it better than I would have.