Re: Address privacy

Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> Wed, 29 January 2020 01:24 UTC

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From: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 17:24:28 -0800
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Subject: Re: Address privacy
To: Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl>
Cc: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>, 6man WG <ipv6@ietf.org>
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On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 4:56 PM Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > Addresses might be correlated to a provider, but no correlations can
> > be made between addresses within the provider space so attributing
> > different flows to the same user cannot be done. A NAT device with a
> > large number backend users would exhibit these properties even in
> > IPv4.
>
> It's the "with a large number backend users" bit. In many many situations that's not the case.
>
Yes, that's not a general solution and I'm not advocating it. However,
I do believe when it comes to privacy in addressing, NAT can better
properties than temporary IP addresses because it is effectively
single use addresses that prevent correlations between independent
communications. Law enforcements push to eliminate CGNAT is
testimonial to that
(https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/18/europol_cgnat/).

Tom



> Cheers,
> Sander
>