Re: [mpls] Poll 2: New SPL vs re-purposed ELI for carrying Network Action Indicators

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Thread-Topic: [mpls] Poll 2: New SPL vs re-purposed ELI for carrying Network Action Indicators
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Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll 2: New SPL vs re-purposed ELI for carrying Network Action Indicators
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Hi Adrian,

Clarification questions.

> From: mpls <mpls-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 11:34 PM
> 
> Hi again, Loa,
> 
> > The MPLS Network Actions (MNA) framework requires a method of
> > indicating the presence of a Network Action and any Ancillary Data.
> >
> > Is the consensus of the working group that we do this by:
> 
> > (1) allocating a new SPL for Network Action Indicators?
> 
> This is my preference of the three options that Loa floated. And I agree with Kireeti that using a bSPL is the right thing (we have some > spare, and this approach uses one label for a large set of Network Actions).
> 
> > (2) re-purposing the ELI SPL?
> 
> No way! 😊
> 
> Bruno and Zafar cast this as "extending" the ELI. In other words, in their view, this approach is backwards compatible with existing ELI > deployments. This may be technically possible,

Would it be fair to say that you don't see technical objections to raise on this approach?

> but I still don't like it because I don't think it is a clean separation of functions.

Can you clarify what you mean by "clean separation of functions"?
(because a naïve interpretation would be that you don't want to mix entropy/load balancing with Network Actions)
 
Thank you.
Regards,
--Bruno

> Conversely, some people see this as reclaiming the ELI for a new purpose.
> If the ELI is to be "reclaimed" then we need to go through a careful round of surveying implementations and a "cool-off" period during > which the label is marked as deprecated.
> If we think we don't need the ELI, we should start this now, but it is a separate action.
> 
> > (3) using some other method of indicating this such as making it an
> >     additional property of an ordinary label?
> 
> I'm open to this, but I haven't seen a credible suggestion that is backward compatible.
> 
> Tony added...
> 
> > (4) allocating a new SPL for a Network Action Sub-stack.
> 
> I think this is more embracing than 1)
> 
> Joel says...
> 
> > Stating how we do indicating information seems to belong
> > in solution drafts.
> 
> I could live with deferring this decision, but I hope we have only one solution for this particular point, so making that decision and > putting it in the Framework is also OK.
> 
> Cheers,
> Adrian
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