Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13

Hi Georgios,

Sure the WG can _try_ to make Columbia change their policies but we are 
talking about lawer-things and it would only delay us even more.

But, yes, I would also like to know what the "FRAND" terms here are.

cheers,
Jukka

On 12/06/2010 12:51 PM, Georgios Karagiannis wrote:
> Hi Jukka, Hi all
>
> Before, deciding on one of the listed options, I would like to know what the
> FRAND policies
> are if the protocol moves to standards track?
>
> Is it not possible to change the description of the IPR disclosure and use
> the
> same IETF patent policy as the one used by other companies, e.g., by Cisco?
>
> Best regards,
> Georgios
>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsis-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:nsis-bounces@ietf.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jukka Manner
>> Sent: vrijdag 3 december 2010 17:45
>> To: nsis
>> Subject: Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columbia
>> University in the City of New York's Statement about IPR
>> related to draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> The authors of draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel have disclosed an IPR
>> that affects the accepted, but not yet published, NSIS document.
>>
>> We need guidance from the working group on how to proceed:
>>
>> a) Do members of the WG accept those terms,
>> b) Do you want to redesign the protocol to work around the IPR,
>> c) Do you want to ask Columbia to modify the terms, or
>> d) Do we drop the document from the WG (authors can still
>> pursue publications through the independent track)?
>>
>> Items a) and d) let's us continue with the publication
>> procedure (for item d) we just remove references to the work
>> from the mobility applicability document). Items b) and c)
>> will need considerable work and since the WG is closing, I
>> would like to avoid them.
>>
>> Please indicate your preference within two weeks, by Friday 17th at:
>>
>> http://www.doodle.com/mb2gvfit64bnya99
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jukka
>>
>> On 12/03/2010 06:00 PM, IETF Secretariat wrote:
>>> Dear Charles Shen, Sung-Hyuck Lee, Henning Schulzrinne, Jong Bang:
>>>
>>> An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft
>> entitled "NSIS
>>> Operation Over IP Tunnels" (draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel) was
>> submitted to
>>> the IETF Secretariat on 2010-12-02 and has been posted on the "IETF
>>> Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures"
>>> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1456/). The title of the IPR
>>> disclosure is "The Trustees of Columbia University in the
>> City of New York's Statement about IPR related to
>> draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13."
>>>
>>> The IETF Secretariat
>>>
>>>
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