Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13

["Georgios Karagiannis" <[e-mail]>]

Hi Calvin

Regarding the situation that the document becomes a protocol standard,
could you use instead of the FRAND terms, a similar disclosure statement
as the one that is commonly used in the IETF. For example, below you can
see  a CISCO disclosure statement:

http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/817/

Best regards,
Georgios

On 12/8/2010, "Calvin Chu" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Yes. If it is Experimental Status, it is free, no need or obligation to
>notify us.  Unless you want to.
>
>Calvin Chu
>Senior Licensing Officer
>Columbia Technology Ventures
>http://techventures.columbia.edu
>Tel: [phone]
>Twitter: cchu
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Al Morton [mailto:[e-mail]]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 4:00 PM
>To: Jukka Manner; Calvin Chu
>Cc: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columbia University
>in the City of New York's Statement about IPR related to
>draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13
>
>I'd particularly like to know if the terms mean this:
>
>If the draft is published in Experimental status,
>then the IPR is free (forever).
>
>Al
>
>At 03:27 PM 12/8/2010, Jukka Manner wrote:
>>Hi Calvin, I'm not an expert in how people should or should not
>>disclose and phrase ipr statements. I hope other people on this list
>>who are more experienced could provide guidance on how to resolve
>>this issue in a positive way.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Jukka
>>
>>On 8.12.2010 20:17, Calvin Chu wrote:
>>>All,
>>>
>>>I've just subscribed to the list so I'm trying to catch up to the
>>>current conversation.
>>>
>>>I'm open to modifying the terms, please send me suggestions.  As to
>>>whether Columbia would just modify the terms arbitrarily later, I
>could
>>>get it into writing if that helps.
>>>
>>>I've been informed there are some questions regarding the specific
>FRAND
>>>terms in non-open source commercial situations. My thoughts were to
>set
>>>a simple flat fee for that sole situation.   If this is reasonable, I
>>>can defer to members of this list to suggest what may be fair.  If
>this
>>>does not sound reasonable, I'll do my best to make things right by
>this
>>>list members, after all, Columbia neglected to declare on time.
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>
>>>Calvin Chu
>>>Senior Licensing Officer
>>>Columbia Technology Ventures
>>>http://techventures.columbia.edu
>>>Tel: [phone]
>>>Twitter: cchu
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf
>Of
>>>Roland Bless
>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 4:24 AM
>>>To: Fu, Xiaoming
>>>Cc: Jukka Manner; [e-mail]
>>>Subject: Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columbia
>University
>>>in the City of New York's Statement about IPR related to
>>>draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>[sorry, previous message was cut, I accidentally hit the send button
>>>instead of the edit menu :-)]
>>>
>>>On 08.12.2010 08:55, Fu, Xiaoming wrote:
>>>>I would vote for c).
>>>
>>>It's not clear to me what prevents the Columbia University
>>>from changing terms back later if they are changing the terms
>>>now on our request?
>>>
>>>>a) Do members of the WG accept those terms,
>>>>b) Do you want to redesign the protocol to work around the IPR,
>>>>c) Do you want to ask Columbia to modify the terms, or
>>>>d) Do we drop the document from the WG (authors can still pursue
>>>publications through the independent track)?
>>>
>>>Jukka said:
>>>>Please indicate your preference within two weeks, by Friday 17th at:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.doodle.com/mb2gvfit64bnya99
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>   Roland
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