Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columbia University inthe City of New York's Statement about IPRrelated to draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13
"Calvin Chu" <cc2962@columbia.edu> Mon, 13 December 2010 22:35 UTC
Return-Path: <cc2962@columbia.edu>
X-Original-To: nsis@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: nsis@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E71B3A6E08 for <nsis@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:35:28 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -4.099
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.500, BAYES_00=-2.599]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B1w-Ke2XbCX3 for <nsis@core3.amsl.com>; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:35:26 -0800 (PST)
Received: from tarap.cc.columbia.edu (tarap.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.29.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62E03A6D38 for <nsis@ietf.org>; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:35:26 -0800 (PST)
Received: from CUIT-EXCHANGE2.ais.columbia.edu (cuit-x4.ais.columbia.edu [128.59.214.33]) by tarap.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oBDMb0lm021519; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:37:00 -0500 (EST)
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5
Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:36:59 -0500
Message-ID: <FBC92463F12E5849A42E8995D9D79D5F8138B5@CUIT-EXCHANGE2.ais.columbia.edu>
In-Reply-To: <FBC92463F12E5849A42E8995D9D79D5F76E93A@CUIT-EXCHANGE2.ais.columbia.edu>
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
Thread-Topic: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columbia University inthe City of New York's Statement about IPRrelated to draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13
Thread-Index: AcuYRjTppKHjWy1bRz68WDcMHPjxOAAdhnsgAJY5MBA=
References: <FBC92463F12E5849A42E8995D9D79D5F76E4CE@CUIT-EXCHANGE2.ais.columbia.edu> <AVJr2JlT.1291877732.6009140.karagian@ewi.utwente.nl><FBC92463F12E5849A42E8995D9D79D5F76E76F@CUIT-EXCHANGE2.ais.columbia.edu><4D01E7F2.80704@kit.edu> <FBC92463F12E5849A42E8995D9D79D5F76E93A@CUIT-EXCHANGE2.ais.columbia.edu>
From: Calvin Chu <cc2962@columbia.edu>
To: Roland Bless <roland.bless@kit.edu>, nsis@ietf.org
X-No-Spam-Score: Local
X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 128.59.29.7
Cc: Georgios Karagiannis <karagian@cs.utwente.nl>, Jukka Manner <jukka.manner@tkk.fi>
Subject: Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columbia University inthe City of New York's Statement about IPRrelated to draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13
X-BeenThere: nsis@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: Next Steps in Signaling <nsis.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nsis>, <mailto:nsis-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/nsis>
List-Post: <mailto:nsis@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:nsis-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nsis>, <mailto:nsis-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 22:35:28 -0000
I have Columbia's backing to offer a Cisco style declaration of IPR. This declaration may deprecate/take precedence over what was previously submitted. Those that feel strongly about this may email me offline. As mentioned, I'd like to minimize the stepping of toes at this point with the goal of maintaining the draft where it was. If this is the preferred route to do this then I'll plan to resubmit soon. Kind regards, Calvin Chu Senior Licensing Officer Columbia Technology Ventures http://techventures.columbia.edu Tel: (212) 851-4140 Twitter: cchu -----Original Message----- From: nsis-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:nsis-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Calvin Chu Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 6:06 PM To: Roland Bless Cc: Georgios Karagiannis; nsis@ietf.org; Jukka Manner Subject: Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columbia University inthe City of New York's Statement about IPRrelated to draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13 See below, and here. Currently I've made it a priority to review the Cisco style disclosure with Columbia. In the meantime, it's my priority to work out to the satisfaction of the members here to allow this draft to remain. I am working on this. Calvin Chu Senior Licensing Officer Columbia Technology Ventures http://techventures.columbia.edu Tel: (212) 851-4140 Twitter: cchu -----Original Message----- From: Roland Bless [mailto:roland.bless@kit.edu] Hi, >Since we have an open implementation that's fine, but IMHO the following >cited text is not 100% clear that this is also guaranteed if the >specification will once change to standards track. So if you could make >it clear that the last point doesn't apply to the open-software and >development activities, it would be better. Regardless of track, if it's open source, then it's FREE. >> The other point of contention is the FRAND terms in the situation it >> becomes a protocol standard, and even then, only in the non-open source >> case. >> >> Is the issue: A) The fact that the fee is unknown B) The fact that there >> is a fee at all or C) desire to see better conformance of disclosure >> such as use of the Cisco style IPR disclosure >I would say B) and A) in that order :-), i.e. >if you remove any fee, it would cause no problem, but if you keep >the fee, it would be good to say something about it. I'm looking into the suggestion on the Cisco style IPR disclosure -- still need about a day or so to get some consensus. I was earlier under the impression that this RFC was unlikely to exit Experimental status so no details were worked out for what that fee may be. It would be unacceptable to us for this fee to prohibit legitimate use, except, at the time I entered the disclosure (as well as now), the threshold for what would be prohibitive isn't known to me. The members of the list would likely know better than me on these matters. If it's case (A) above, we can declare a hard upper limit the uncertainty is removed from the system. If (A) is unacceptable at any value, in any case, I'm simultaneously passing around the Cisco style disclosure. _______________________________________________ nsis mailing list nsis@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nsis
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Jukka Manner
- [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columbia U… IETF Secretariat
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… James M. Polk
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Al Morton
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Roland Bless
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Fred Baker
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Fred Baker
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Al Morton
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Lars Eggert
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Takako Sanda
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Roland Bless
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Roland Bless
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Lars Eggert
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… James M. Polk
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Al Morton
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Fu, Xiaoming
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Roland Bless
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Roland Bless
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Martin Stiemerling
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Lars Eggert
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Calvin Chu
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Al Morton
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Calvin Chu
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Calvin Chu
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Roland Bless
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Calvin Chu
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Calvin Chu
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Lars Eggert
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Fred Baker
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Calvin Chu
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Fred Baker
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Fred Baker
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Al Morton
- Re: [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columb… Lars Eggert
- [NSIS] IPR Disclosure: The Trustees of Columbia U… IETF Secretariat
- [NSIS] WGLC: draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13 Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] WGLC: draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13 Georgios Karagiannis
- Re: [NSIS] WGLC: draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13 Roland Bless
- Re: [NSIS] WGLC: draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13 Jukka Manner
- Re: [NSIS] WGLC: draft-ietf-nsis-tunnel-13 Lars Eggert