Re: [rtcweb] H.261

David Singer <singer@apple.com> Fri, 22 November 2013 23:45 UTC

Return-Path: <singer@apple.com>
X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B551AE253 for <rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:45:12 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -7.427
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.427 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.525, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gr501HQNsQM6 for <rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:45:10 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-out.apple.com (honeycrisp.apple.com [17.151.62.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6375E1AE117 for <rtcweb@ietf.org>; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:45:10 -0800 (PST)
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
Received: from relay6.apple.com ([17.128.113.90]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTP id <0MWO00H47VAB7EP1@mail-out.apple.com> for rtcweb@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:45:03 -0800 (PST)
X-AuditID: 1180715a-b7f3c6d00000020e-8c-528fec7f206e
Received: from spicerack.apple.com (spicerack.apple.com [17.128.115.40]) (using TLS with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay6.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 33.1B.00526.F7CEF825; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:45:03 -0800 (PST)
Received: from singda.apple.com (singda.apple.com [17.197.32.11]) by spicerack.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Nov 17 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0MWO0002QVB3FO60@spicerack.apple.com> for rtcweb@ietf.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:45:03 -0800 (PST)
From: David Singer <singer@apple.com>
In-reply-to: <528FDE5E.5080301@librevideo.org>
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:45:02 -0800
Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Message-id: <CE523335-0146-4FA5-A735-1EB4A8B3F1EF@apple.com>
References: <CEB4350B.1E7B2%mzanaty@cisco.com> <20131122171020.GY3245@audi.shelbyville.oz> <7949EED078736C4881C92F656DC6F6C130EA9E66AF@ausmsex00.austin.kmvtechnologies.com> <528F9DAD.3030300@googlemail.com> <7949EED078736C4881C92F656DC6F6C130EA9E66DE@ausmsex00.austin.kmvtechnologies.com> <528FAAA8.8060807@googlemail.com> <7949EED078736C4881C92F656DC6F6C130EA9E66FE@ausmsex00.austin.kmvtechnologies.com> <528FB79F.8090405@gmail.com> <7949EED078736C4881C92F656DC6F6C130EA9E670F@ausmsex00.austin.kmvtechnologies.com> <528FBD13.5040801@gmail.com> <528FD429.7090002@nostrum.com> <528FDE5E.5080301@librevideo.org>
To: Basil Mohamed Gohar <basilgohar@librevideo.org>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822)
X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrMLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FCsoVv/pj/I4P1fHou1/9rZHRg9liz5 yRTAGMVlk5Kak1mWWqRvl8CV8ez6BOaCnXwVa+bcY2lgPMLdxcjJISFgIrG34ykjhC0mceHe ejYQW0hgMpPElCX8XYxcQPZqJomva7uZuxg5OJgF9CTuX9QCqeEFMm8132cGsYUFpCW2XLoL NodNQFXiwZxjYDYnUM3mvdPYQVpZgOLbzimDhJkFhCW+P77HAmFrSzx5d4EVYqSNxL1/K9kg 1n5lkfjSshfsHhEBY4nPh+YwQ9wpK7H7+XfmCYwCsxAumoXkollIxi5gZF7FKFCUmpNYaaaX WFCQk6qXnJ+7iREcdIVROxgbllsdYhTgYFTiAdreFyTEmlhWXJl7iFGCg1lJhFf5YH+QEG9K YmVValF+fFFpTmrxIUZpDhYlcd4PL4BSAumJJanZqakFqUUwWSYOTqkGxpkXzqssyk1qXZPL 9cYm8zrPDWe3KgOxde/jGljbCuvkVN5KChR+Wn72HvPBi/tmKXyaNZN91WffJ8z3JR1PPam9 +u90YHGHoz+DnqDwzS0TkiIKJniuiXk009/TSqBluteMowFLuvyZxTZ0/bd7qt54I+9W/KXU Dp3F0t+c1rq1xQe0nLs3QYmlOCPRUIu5qDgRAJ93o3s2AgAA
Cc: rtcweb@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [rtcweb] H.261
X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list <rtcweb.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/rtcweb>, <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtcweb/>
List-Post: <mailto:rtcweb@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb>, <mailto:rtcweb-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 23:45:12 -0000

On Nov 22, 2013, at 14:44 , Basil Mohamed Gohar <basilgohar@librevideo.org> wrote:

> On 11/22/2013 05:01 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
>> On 11/22/13 14:22, Daniel-Constantin Mierla wrote:
>>> They plan to release the sources under BSD, but who wants to use them
>>> directly, they have to deal with mpeg-la. 
>> 
>> 
>> Every time this kind of statement is made without also including "if
>> they distribute more than 100,000 copies a year", it's a bald
>> misrepresentation of the situation.
>> 
>> I'm not saying the 100,000-copy exemption is a silver bullet. But it
>> sure does cut down the number of people who have to deal with MPEG-LA,
>> and completely addresses the "what if I want to have a enterprise disk
>> image?" question. And ignoring it to exaggerate your case doesn't do
>> anyone any favors.
>> 
>> /a
> 
> Free software projects do not have a reliable mechanism by which to
> count their distribution, since it is sent out through many means, not
> the least of which can include direct downloads, SCM code checks (e.g.,
> Github), GNU/Linux and *BSD distibutions (which can easily exceed
> 100,000 for the most popular ones), to name a few.
> 
> Where does the liability for counting lie in each of these cases?  The
> licensing restrictions that MPEG-LA has placed on H.264 is very
> free-software unfriendly for any cases where you want rights to be
> transitive - which is a key, fundamental aspect of software freedom.

Curiously, I think that the position is that if you distribute source (e.g. of FFMPeg, X264) then the person who compiles it is making the final product, so if everyone builds it themselves, they are in a product distribution group size of 1.

Don’t rely on me, IANAL.


David Singer
Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc.