Re: [rtcweb] H.261

tim panton <tim@phonefromhere.com> Wed, 27 November 2013 16:03 UTC

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On 27 Nov 2013, at 05:26, cowwoc <cowwoc@bbs.darktech.org> wrote:

> On 27/11/2013 12:07 AM, Stephan Wenger wrote:
>> If I recall correctly, someone asked for a more concrete definition of a licensing "unit".
>> StW: I do not recall the context, but MPEG-LA licenses (in addition to content, which is not at issue here) a thing called “codec”, which is defined as one encoder, one decoder, or one encoder and one decoder. /StW
> 
> I don't think that answers the question. It was my understanding they were asking what constitutes one unit (out of the 100k free units we are allowed per year). For example, should we be counting the number of installs? Or number of concurrent users (e.g. what happens when a user installs the software on 5 machines but only runs one at a time?)? Or number of downloads? What happens if the same user downloads the app 100 times? When users uninstall the app, do we get a unit back? The point is, we need a very concrete definition of how to count units.

Or even more fun, if you install an update of the app, say once a month, that’s 12 units per year per user - Or am I misunderstanding the ‘unit’ thing?

T.